The Bucknuts Hot Spot

If this becomes the top issue in the election that is what might happen. If you remember Ohio passed a bill against obamacare by a large margin.

According to Willard Romney, it is a penalty not a tax. So both presidential candidates are in an agreement.

Not according to Willard Romney. It was an advisor who said that.

The Middle Class will NOT be well served by this legislation, but the poor will get another major entitlement ("everyone" is not paying as many will have their contributions subsidized by guess who)... Why be upset? Quality of care will go down. Costs for the people who actually pay will go up. Access, availability, and treatment times will greatly suffer. This is the first step in a designed plan to lead to a single payer system.

Where do the responsibilities of the Federal government stop and those of the people who fund it? This is a State issue and let the leftwingers migrate to those lands of milk and honey if they are so inclined. Juts don't ask the fiscally responsible states led by elected Republican governors to bail their ass out... Let them tax themselves to oblivion or suffer the painful consequences of the truly draconian cuts when they can't pay for their monstrosity.

Ah yes, it's those damn poor folks again.

They just continually go and fuck things up for the rest of us hard workin' 'Merikans don't they Gilligan?

Before you know it, if this shit keeps up, everyone will have the fundamental right to equal health care, regardless of income.

Damn, that WOULD suck, wouldn't it? I mean, how ya gonna keep em down on the farm now that they can get specialist visits?

Just for grins, take a look at some of the mortality rates, obesity rates, % of folks living under the poverty line, % of those with high school/college educations, etc. in those states with those fiscally responsible governors you speak of. You know, the ones who "fiscally balance" on the backs of the poor.

You know, the "Jesus" governors.

Honestly, you get more and more bizarre with each passing post. I'm just waiting for the inevitable slip up.

You might not catch the drift, but we do.....

Well, as far as the Police question you have, no they can not allow someone to beat on another person. That violates their civil rights. As to the fir department part, I am all for them letting a house burn down if that person did not pay their taxes for that service.

My dissatisfaction from Obamacare is really 2 complaints. First, the government now controls the healthcare industry (no matter how much the Liberals like to say that isn't true, the government is calling the shots) and expanded the size of government that is unsustainable. Second, the way the Supreme Court ruled, the government can now compael us to do anything they want, or buy what they deem is for the "greater good", and then punsh us citizens through taxation if we don't comply. That should scare the shit out of you.

Give me a break, he answered for Romney. The question was not to find out what Fehrnstrom thought, but was asked of him as an advisor that the Romney camp sent to represent Romney's view. As I sourced on another thread:

"Asked by anchor Chuck Todd whether Romney “agrees with the president” that “you should not call the tax penalty a tax, you should call it a penalty or a fee or a fine,” Fehrnstrom answered: “That’s correct.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0712/78077.html#ixzz1zWgoSSC3

So nice try but your response is BS.

Mitt says it's a penalty, not a tax. Whatever it is, it will only affect free-loaders who don't feel they need insurance - until they get sick and go to the emergency room, which ironically you and I have to pay for. Is that too complicated for you cons to understand? As much as Boehner, McConnell, and company want to frame it as a tax for all, it only applies to the 1% who are gaming the system - exactly the types cons love to hate. Except when Obama is going after them.

1 No, the government does not control the healthcare industry. If it did everyone would be covered and your insurance would be a lot cheaper. The current healthcare act is an incomplete product due to Republican obstructionism. It's all that could get passed due to the threat of a filibuster and tepid support from moderate Democrats and Republicans.

2 If you don't purchase the infamous broccoli it will not affect the rest of us adversely in any way. If you do not purchase health insurance and get "free" healthcare at the ER everyone else has to pay for it. Clear enough?

This is way too simple, even for cons.

I disagree, the Govt will not take over for Dr's, Pharmaceuticals, Medical Equipment or where I think they should is, Malpractice.

I strongly feel you are way off on your fear, the Right has a habit of saying the sky is falling.... The NRA is always causing fear, look how many guns and bullets were bought when Obama took office.....

As for your answer number 1, you don't know what you are talking about. The government is calling all the shots so therefore they are running the healthcare industry. Also, when the Bill was passed, the Democrats had a filibuster proof majority. So there was no GOP obstructionism.

As for your second answer, you again are trying to spin it away from what i stated. The government now can compel us to buy what they deem is for the greater good or they can punish us through taxation. The fact that you didn't even dispute that tells me I am right and you know it too.

from his own words.....the Supreme Court RULED IT A TAX>>>>>>and Obama guys in court stated it was a TAX>>>>>>>>>

What freeloading that Obama initiated? Stick to the point. How are Republicans going to address the outliers who refuse to insure themselves and their families in case they need healthcare? It's very simple - either you think they are gaming the system or they are right to go it alone until they actually need healthcare (for free, I might add), Again, these are the very people that cons rail against when they talk of "welfare state." Hatred of Obama is causing you to come down on the side of people who could give a fuck about personal responsibility, a conservative mantra. That must put all cons in a state of confusion.