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A Historic Day for My Wisconsin!!!!

  • 10 (so far) down votes for Seattle says it all.

    pazbuc

  • A lesson to all, don't vote for idiots like that in the first place! Want to end social programs,unions and pensions for all Americans. Let the market dictate for all people.

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    There is one at every party, thought that's why you invited me!

    bleedscarlet

  • bleedscarlet said...

    A lesson to all, don't vote for idiots like that in the first place! Want to end social programs,unions and pensions for all Americans. Let the market dictate for all people.

    I'm going to go out on a limb by saying I guess you aren't running into Tom Herman at the Mensa meetings...

    sryan2

  • aka_electrotech said...

    I guess we'll see when the actual people of WI have their voice heard in the re-call election.....shrug

    The 1 million who signed the petitions are not actual people because they disagree with you? loco

    Though often asked, God does not take sides in politics or college football.

    TimMcM

  • hammerhead said...

    From what I hear he has cleaned up the financial mess ($9 billion in debt) that Wisconsin was under and all other states are facing including my Ohio. Sooner or later all states will have to make these tough decisions. Unlike the federal govt. they cannot just print money. The state and federal unions are out of control and need to be rained in. Time will tell what will happen but I say great job in trying to clean up the mess.

    You heard wrong. He has just spent over $2 million dollars on media spots trying to get people not to sign the petitions and his disapprovals are still over 50%.

    After signing a two year budget this past summer, Walker sent out this letter asking for contributions. Note that it says that Wisc is 3 billion dollars in debt - not quite what you heard.
    http://media.jsonline.com/documents/walker+letter.pdf

    While the national job numbers have been going up, Wisc. has had 5 straight months of job losses.

    Great job? Really?

    Though often asked, God does not take sides in politics or college football.

    TimMcM

  • Jake 23 said...

    So the message from people wanting a recall is that it is not important to balance our state budget, it is not important to stop being a burden on Wisconsin taxpayers, and if you try to do anything to improve the condition of the state than we will recall you. I guess the voters of Wisconsin are not that bright if they want a recall.

    Millions are "not that bright" because they disagree with your synopsis of what things are like in their state. Really?

    Though often asked, God does not take sides in politics or college football.

    TimMcM

  • Darcangelo said...

    Thread is going real well for ya Seattle. Have no fear, your two cro-mag buddies will be here soon enough to aid your lunacy.

    As usual, you contribute nothing but asinine comments. Can't argue with her points so you just rip on those who disagree with you.

    Though often asked, God does not take sides in politics or college football.

    TimMcM

  • TimMcM said...

    You heard wrong. He has just spent over $2 million dollars on media spots trying to get people not to sign the petitions and his disapprovals are still over 50%.

    After signing a two year budget this past summer, Walker sent out this letter asking for contributions. Note that it says that Wisc is 3 billion dollars in debt - not quite what you heard. http://media.jsonline.com/documents/walker+letter.pdf

    While the national job numbers have been going up, Wisc. has had 5 straight months of job losses.

    Great job? Really?

    Wisconsin is currently dead last in the US for job gains( a huge promise of Walker's was job gains).... good post, Tim...guess the truth hurts....

    GO PACK GO!!!!! Go Brew Crew!!!!

    Seattlebuckfan

  • pazbuc said...

    10 (so far) down votes for Seattle says it all.

    Says that there are a lot more of you lemming cons then there are libs on here. Giving someone a down vote because you don't agree with them puts you all back on that JH level; which is not surprising.

    If I held your political beliefs I would be much more concerned about the insane clown posse running to take on Obama, then with counting down votes.

    Though often asked, God does not take sides in politics or college football.

    TimMcM

  • Schaef-nuts said...

    This thread started by her is a perfect example of what kind of a person she really is. Don't think for a minute that she doesn't know that gloating about some massive liberal effort to oust Walker would piss off more than half the people in here. That's what all of her posts are designed to do... get a rise out of us.

    I propose that we don't even reply to any of her posts any more, because that would really spoil her day... knowing that she didn't get under anyone's skin. I'll bet you anything that after a while she would eventually go away.

    Up vote for you Schaef. You two not bothering to post at all - period, would teach her an even better lesson!!

    Go for it guys!!!

    Though often asked, God does not take sides in politics or college football.

    TimMcM

  • TimMcM said...

    While the national job numbers have been going up, Wisc. has had 5 straight months of job losses.

    Great job? Really?

    So I'm guessing you believe more union power and higher taxes on businesses, or whoever the left wants to tax more, will create more jobs? That may be true in the public sector since the leftist base, the unions and elected democratic officials have a nice little menage a trois going, but certainly there's no reason to expect more jobs out of the private sector.

    "You're only young once, but you can always be immature."

    excabuckeye

  • pazbuc said...

    10 (so far) down votes for Seattle says it all.

    Really? What it says is that there 10 Cons running their mouth on this Board. Walker said the recall will "give him a chance to get his story out". BWAHAHAHA!!!!. That's hilarious. Why do you think there is a recall coming, because everyone knows his story!

    dave1954

  • TimMcM said...

    As usual, you contribute nothing but asinine comments. Can't argue with her points so you just rip on those who disagree with you.

    On cue, Cro Mag1 arrives.

    Don't get mad because I make more sense in my one line jabs than you do in your eight paragraph essays littered with copy/paste propaganda.

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    Darcangelo

  • Schaef-nuts said...

    This thread started by her is a perfect example of what kind of a person she really is. Don't think for a minute that she doesn't know that gloating about some massive liberal effort to oust Walker would piss off more than half the people in here. That's what all of her posts are designed to do... get a rise out of us.

    I propose that we don't even reply to any of her posts any more, because that would really spoil her day... knowing that she didn't get under anyone's skin. I'll bet you anything that after a while she would eventually go away.

    It's called trolling.

    She is a Troll. She even resembles one in real life, it's truly uncanny

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  • I say let the unions run Wisconson, let them run up there huge debt, let jobs leave their state, let companies relocate to Ohio, THEN let the UNIONS get their UNION fees from what is left in Wisconsin........TREES.........

    minsterbuckeye

  • Darcangelo said...

    On cue, Cro Mag1 arrives.

    Don't get mad because I make more sense in my one line jabs than you do in your eight paragraph essays littered with copy/paste propaganda.

    that Cro Mag1 gets his proaganda from very, very reliable sources.......LOL

    minsterbuckeye

  • bcroft

  • Wisconsin lost private-sector jobs for the sixth consecutive month in December, the same period in which the nation added jobs.

    According to data released Thursday by the state Department of Workforce Development, the state lost an estimated 3,900 jobs in the private sector in December from November. The United States showed a gain of 212,000 for the month, outstripping expectations of most economists.

    Both sets of data are seasonally adjusted to strip out recurring fluctuations due to weather and holidays. Both sets of data are also preliminary and subject to revision.

    Most of the jobs were lost in service sector industries as well as hotels, restaurants, leisure and hospitality.

    State employment was essentially little changed, with an estimated loss of 200 jobs. City and county employers showed job gains in the month. Total non-farm employment, including private and all forms of public-sector work, fell 1,700.

    The unemployment rate, which the government derives from a separate survey of households, fell to 7.1% from 7.3% in November, which mirrors a national decline in the same month to 8.5% from 8.7%.

    During the recession and recovery, it's been common to see a divergence in the trend between the payroll employment numbers, which are extrapolated from a survey of employers, and the unemployment rate, which is derived from a separate survey. Economists attribute the divergence to a lack of clear trends in the recovery.

    Walker is doing a great job of adding jobs.... NOT.....

    GO PACK GO!!!!! Go Brew Crew!!!!

    Seattlebuckfan

  • Wow, I go to a Buckeye board and end up with this? I guess people get what they vote for. Except if your a liberal then you cry about the outcome. Do everything you can to recall someone. If you think it was so great before Walker then go back to it. You will just blame him for everything for the next twenty years anyway.

    Heck after three years we still keep hearing it's Bush's fault.

    The left is the party of no responsibility. Always blame others for YOUR issues.

    Your only free if a liberal says so...and agrees with you.

    thewolf00

  • excabuckeye said...

    So I'm guessing you believe more union power and higher taxes on businesses, or whoever the left wants to tax more, will create more jobs? That may be true in the public sector since the leftist base, the unions and elected democratic officials have a nice little menage a trois going, but certainly there's no reason to expect more jobs out of the private sector.

    Those in the private sector are making record profits, tax rates on corporations and the wealthy are near modern day record lows. But wanting the field tilted even more in their favor the corps/wealthy are having their GOP sock monkeys whine for more tax cuts and less regulations because that is why they cannot create jobs - BullShit.

    Given that cons, the GOP, corporations, and wealthy individuals are in the process of perpetrating one of the greatest Cluster Fucks of all times on we the people, I wouldn't be worrying about "a nice little ménage à trois" if I were you.

    Demand is the only thing that creates job. Cutting taxes and cutting regulations just increases profits - not to mention that they also lead to things like the meltdown of our economy, Deep Water Horizon, Love Canal, etc.

    Though often asked, God does not take sides in politics or college football.

    TimMcM

  • hammerhead said...

    From what I hear he has cleaned up the financial mess ($9 billion in debt) that Wisconsin was under and all other states are facing including my Ohio. Sooner or later all states will have to make these tough decisions. Unlike the federal govt. they cannot just print money. The state and federal unions are out of control and need to be rained in. Time will tell what will happen but I say great job in trying to clean up the mess.

    I actually hope that Wisconsin does recall him. Walker cleaned it up and is continuing to clean it up. Imagine what the people of Wisconsin will think when they elect a Democrat and then the deficits come back, taxes go higher to pay for the Union sweetheart deals, etc....

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  • TimMcM said...

    Those in the private sector are making record profits, tax rates on corporations and the wealthy are near modern day record lows. But wanting the field tilted even more in their favor the corps/wealthy are having their GOP sock monkeys whine for more tax cuts and less regulations because that is why they cannot create jobs - BullShit.

    Given that cons, the GOP, corporations, and wealthy individuals are in the process of perpetrating one of the greatest Cluster Fucks of all times on we the people, I wouldn't be worrying about "a nice little ménage à trois" if I were you.

    Demand is the only thing that creates job. Cutting taxes and cutting regulations just increases profits - not to mention that they also lead to things like the meltdown of our economy, Deep Water Horizon, Love Canal, etc.

    How can cons perpetrate a clusterfuck on anyone when it is a Democrat who is sitting in the White House?

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    Buckeye Warrior

  • I love the vitriol on this board. I don't get here nearly enough.

    As far as the recall goes, I guess it's all moot at this point. The voters of Wisconsin will decide how they feel sometime this year. Nothing the rest of us thinks really matters at this point.

    rjzeller

  • TimMcM said...

    Those in the private sector are making record profits, tax rates on corporations and the wealthy are near modern day record lows. But wanting the field tilted even more in their favor the corps/wealthy are having their GOP sock monkeys whine for more tax cuts and less regulations because that is why they cannot create jobs - BullShit.

    Given that cons, the GOP, corporations, and wealthy individuals are in the process of perpetrating one of the greatest Cluster Fucks of all times on we the people, I wouldn't be worrying about "a nice little ménage à trois" if I were you.

    Demand is the only thing that creates job. Cutting taxes and cutting regulations just increases profits - not to mention that they also lead to things like the meltdown of our economy, Deep Water Horizon, Love Canal, etc.

    Okay, so I'll re-word my original question to fit your reply. So I'm guessing you believe more union power, more regulations and higher taxes on businesses and individuals will create more sustainable demand, and therefore jobs. How so?

    Healthy, sustainable demand, not artificially stimulated demand like what this administration has favored, is what this country needs. When sustainable demand exceeds any company's ability to serve that demand jobs are created. The company can no longer economically justify satisfying that demand through more overtime, alone, or has also run out of fixed capacity. If it's economically justifiable to grab some of that demand, before another company does, the company will hire more people and/or increase capacity. This starts the virtuous circle where growth leads to more growth because those new jobs or that capacity expansion create an econmic ripple in the economy. Conservatives tend to believe that temporary stimulus through wealth redistribution does not create sustainable demand.

    Unfortunately we still have a fairly large crisis of confidence in any sustainable demand in this country, with too many memories of 2008/2009. That's why companies are not investing in a significant way or expanding capacity, and are socking the profits away, as are individuals with disposable income. The left's only solution, as it always is, takes more of that money and lets the government re-distribute it, but how does that create any sustainable demand? Through companies like Solyndra? Any business person knows the government does not create jobs, so we're then left with the question of how does the government create an environment of sustainable demand?

    In many areas of the economy we still have excess capacity, with housing as the supreme poster child. Unfortunately housing is also the poster child of an industry that has the ability to create the strongest ripples in the economy, which is why it gets so much attention. The government, bless its heart, only wants to "artificially" stimulate housing through re-distributive programs like loan re-writes, debt forgiveness, etc., but how does that create sustainable growth. The real issue is the overall crisis of confidence. No company will hire if it lacks confidence in the sustainability of the demand, and no one will buy a house without a solid job. That's why temporary or contract labor rates are a leading indicator of economic growth - we need to see strong growth in this area before permanent jobs will be created because no company wants to hire if there's a probability they'll need to lay that person off in the near term.

    So the key question, and primary difference between liberals and conservatives, is how do you create sustainable demand? I argue it's not through wealth re-distribution because that simply takes money from one part of the economy and puts it somewhere else - this does not lead to sustainable growth, vis-a-vis Obama's failed stimulus programs. The only thing that creates sustainable demand is a healthy economic climate, where companies and individuals are not overburdened by tax rates and unncessary regulations.

    So I again ask you the question - how does more union power, more unnecessary regulations and higher taxes on businesses and individuals create more sustainable demand, and therefore jobs?

    "You're only young once, but you can always be immature."

    excabuckeye

  • First off I don't see how you expect the gov't to "create" more jobs. Gov't Doesn't create jobs its helps make an environment that makes it easier to create jobs, which is not happening, thus all the bullshit regulations being passed on a daily basis in Washington. Being Wiscy is a union state and not a right to work makes it even tougher to create jobs in the private sector. Just look at the right to work states job increases compared to non right to work states. Just some other facts. The stimulus package that was suppose to "Create" shovel ready jobs, sent roughly $700 million to the state of Wisconsin, of that $700 million around $600 million went to the unions to keep, Teachers, Police, Fire fighters employed b/c the state could not pay there large salaries, benifits & pensions. So this big package that was supposed to be invested to help create jobs, just keeps UNION workers employed. So when Union workers stay employed they pay dues, where do the dues go??? back to the dems, now I wonder why the stimulus was passed, US tax dollars going to the states, not to create new projects and jobs, but to keep union employees working, which in turn gets more money back to the libs and money for people like OBAMA to spend on campaigning. GEE I wonder how hes getting his billion dollars for this election. The whole process is fucked up and needs to be changed. But with our corrupt politicians, I do not ever see things changing until it gets so bad and our country is already ruined.

    At some point people need to see whats best for the state and the country and have a little common sense.

    bradly2osu