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Atheist groups threaten to have Ray Mendoza cross memrl. removed

  • Just saw this featured on FoxNews, with Megyn Kelly.
    Some over-the-line atheist groups want to have a makeshift memorial site removed, which is used by the poor widows who've lost husbands in Iraq to grieve their fallen spouses. They interviewed former Ray Mendoza's wife. Ray Mendoza was a former BUCKEYE WRESTER in the 90s. This is just out-of-control and digsusting by these .0000001%-of-the-minority atheist groups. This cross is on a remote hillside on CAMP PENDLETON! and isn't bothering anybody! It just breaks my heart that widows like Ray Mendoza's wife, are having their peace interrupted so rudely. These guys lay their lives on the line for all of us...literally...and it sickens me that a small little memorial on CAMP PENDLETON, (not in the middle of a crowded public spot), is being threatened. I think we can all agree, no matter which side of the political aisle or religion we are --- that this micro-managing nit-picking whining is beyond disgusting.

    Here is a link to a story about the situation:
    http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/military/military-atheist-group-objects-to-memorial-cross-at-camp-pendleton/article_1a2deffe-1b96-5c90-8c9e-66a8155bc897.html

    This post has been edited 4 times, most recently by PABuck24 on 4/13/2012 at 2:17 PM

    PABuck24

  • heart-breaking for those widows....you have to be sick in the head to try to force a remote cross on a MILITARY BASE be removed. Who is it bothering???? nobody, I suspect. If it is - maybe 1 (insane) person out of 10,000...so these atheists groups want to force the ways of 1 against the rest? unreal.
    slimy lawyers or not...there is no excuse for this.
    I, for one, will be praying for Ray Mendoza's widow & the others there who are going through even more unnecessary grief b/c of this

    This post was edited by Ty16x4 on 4/12/2012 at 2:21 PM

    Ty16x4

  • People need to live and let live. I've heard about this before ( I camp at the beach at Pendleton a few times a year ) and I wonder what the motivation is behind it; kinda like taking "under God" out of the Pledge. When you act like whiny assholes you do a disservice to any issue that you really are trying to bring to light. Mixing politics with religion is an issue that can and should be discussed but you should concentrate on the things that actually effect you or are a real injustice, not trivial BS.

    Yeah, I said it.

    shalvoy

  • Horrible, antiAmerican, ungrateful. We are not the "melting pot" our forefathers intended us to be.

    Formerly "Buckeye47Fan". Couldn't carry over my handle, why 247 ?

    Cable_Guy

  • CableGuy said...

    Horrible, antiAmerican, ungrateful. We are not the "melting pot" our forefathers intended us to be.

    What if one of the honored was Jewish, or Muslim, or Atheist, or Agnostic? Would you still honor them with a monument? Just asking. I don't believe in a God, but I have no problem with crosses being erected anywhere. But would Christians be as tolerant if a Jewish Memorial were to be drug up the hill and planted? Or a Muslim one? Or, most importantly, an Atheist one? I don't call myself an atheist but I believe most agnostics and atheists are much more tolerant of religions than religions are of each other, and especially of agnostics and atheists.
    Think not? Declare yourself an atheist as a test and watch the outrage. Not one of my friends knows how I feel about God, it's personal - I don't consider it important to my desire to live to be 120 rather than accept the "Rapture." I can be a good person without "God." If that upsets you, then I've made my point.

    This post was edited by McCague on 4/15/2012 at 10:05 PM

    McCague

  • I'm an agnostic. I do not consider such a memorial to be offensive. As far as I'm concerned those who find such memorials offensive have entirely too much time on their hands and are using said time stick their nose where it doesn't belong.

    That being said, those who scream the loudest about their religion, or lack there of, tend to forget that religious freedom implies the expectation of religious tolerance, which tends to be in short supply more often than not.

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  • McCague said...

    What if one of the honored was Jewish, or Muslim, or Atheist, or Agnostic? Would you still honor them with a cross, or at all? Just asking. I don't believe in a God, but I have no problem with crosses being erected anywhere. But would Christians be as tolerant if a Jewish Memorial were to be drug up the hill and planted? Or a Muslim one? Or, most importantly, an Atheist one? I don't call myself an atheist but I believe most agnostics and atheists are much more tolerant of religions than religions are of each other, and especially of agnostics and atheists. Think not? Declare yourself an atheist as a test and watch the outrage. Not one of my friends knows how I feel about God, it's personal - I don't consider it important to my desire to live to be 120 rather than accept the "Rapture." I can be a good person without "God." If that upsets you, then I've made my point.

    I personally would not have a problem if any of these would be added if it were by those who lost a loved service member in the war and are of that faith. it would be another issue if a group who did not have a lost loved one to force the issue just because. Good example is Arlington cementary, you can have symbols of faith on the tombstones and there are crosses there as well. I do have to disagree on your statement that aethists are more tolerant of religions. If that were the case we would not be seeing such actions to remove the ten commandments from court buildings, bibles from schools or crosses from memorials and such. What I do find interesting is that most lawsuits are towards monumemnts or practices that deal with Christianity or the bible. How many have you heard in regards to Muslims, Buddists, Wiccan (witches) Satanists, etc..

    I wonder how many of the aethist group pushing this issue actually have lost a loved service member or are/were a service member. In the 20 years I served in the Army, I have found very few aethists in the foxhole when confronted with the possibility of death.

    But I digress, it is a shame that in America widows like Ray Mendoza have to deal with this and it is equally a shame these same widows have to deal with the Westboro Baptist people who protest at military funerals thanking God for the death of the soldiers. Both are equally shameful and disrepectful.

    This post was edited by PNWBuckeye on 4/12/2012 at 5:00 PM

    PNWBuckeye

  • I have no problem with the memorial you are talking about.

    But I take issue with the OP's statements that atheists are wackos and disgusting, and all the other comments posted which show just how intolerant you Christians tend to be of different religious views.

    Yes, there are atheists in foxholes. If you didn't take the time to read the article, the group raising the question is composed of atheist and secular miltary men and women. I suppose their sacrifices are somehow less important than when a Christian dies in service to our country, though, right?

    Last I heard "under god" was still in the pledge. Did you know that it wasn't in the pledge originally, and was added to it? I bet not a single Christian had any issue whatsoever with changing the Pledge of Allegiance when "under god" was added to the pledge, though, right? You only have an issue if someone wants to restore it to its original form?

    I also love the tone of this thread. This group has simply raised the question of whether a military base is an appropriate place for a religious memorial. This group isn't threatening to take it down, so the title of this thread is inaccurate and misleading. They don't have the authority to remove it. They are asking a question, something conservative Christians can't tolerate when it is their "right" to intertwine church and state that is being questioned. Since when should Americans feel so threatened by someone asking the question? It's usually up to courts to decide, in accordance with the U.S. Constitution.

    Oh, I forgot, when the courts rule against conservatives it's "judicial activism", and it's only when courts rule for conservatives that they are simply upholding the Constitution.

    BucksinWA

  • Most atheists don't care what you do as long as it doesn't impact they do just like most who are strong with religion don't go killing people in the honor of their religion. It is the assumptions and polarizing of each group that give them each bad names.

    shaunsimpson

  • I guess I should have edited the title to say "Atheist Groups", because not all atheists would want this....they're just some making the rest look bad.
    And, if someone wanted to put up a memorial, signified by their religion, if it was different than Christianity - I wouldn't have a problem with that. I especially think if you're a widow and you've lost your husband, who literally died for the country --- pretty much anything the families and fellow soldiers put up - should be respected, no matter what the religion. Gotta take in to context that its on a military base, too. Not all in the military are Christians -- so we've got to respect all religions; but the bigger point is - if there any soldiers there who are Muslims,Jews, Hindus, Angostics or whatever on that base.....I hiiiiiighly doubt that they were offended. 99.9% of our military are upright, classy, fine young people -- but, its the outside groups, (i.e. the ACLU) who are doing the whining.

    This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by PABuck24 on 4/13/2012 at 2:25 PM

    PABuck24

  • I actually knew Ray. What a great guy. A bear of a man who was as humble as they come. I was shocked when I heard the news. As an agnostic, I think the wishes of the family should be honored.

    godhatesusall

  • BucksinWA said...

    I have no problem with the memorial you are talking about.

    But I take issue with the OP's statements that atheists are wackos and disgusting, and all the other comments posted which show just how intolerant you Christians tend to be of different religious views.

    Yes, there are atheists in foxholes. If you didn't take the time to read the article, the group raising the question is composed of atheist and secular miltary men and women. I suppose their sacrifices are somehow less important than when a Christian dies in service to our country, though, right?

    Last I heard "under god" was still in the pledge. Did you know that it wasn't in the pledge originally, and was added to it? I bet not a single Christian had any issue whatsoever with changing the Pledge of Allegiance when "under god" was added to the pledge, though, right? You only have an issue if someone wants to restore it to its original form?

    I also love the tone of this thread. This group has simply raised the question of whether a military base is an appropriate place for a religious memorial. This group isn't threatening to take it down, so the title of this thread is inaccurate and misleading. They don't have the authority to remove it. They are asking a question, something conservative Christians can't tolerate when it is their "right" to intertwine church and state that is being questioned. Since when should Americans feel so threatened by someone asking the question? It's usually up to courts to decide, in accordance with the U.S. Constitution.

    Oh, I forgot, when the courts rule against conservatives it's "judicial activism", and it's only when courts rule for conservatives that they are simply upholding the Constitution.

    If in fact, the OP's title is inaccurate, it might be because that is the way the media has portrayed this issue. One gets the idea that there is more than a legal fight going on here and it certainly meets the polarization criteria.

    csoto47

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