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dave1954 said...
Not all Cons are racist just as all Libs are not racist. I say Cons are racist because everyday you prove it with your words and actions. The fact is, if you are a fan of Rush Limbaugh and you like what he says and stands for, you are a racist like he is. And he is a racist. If this doesn't apply to you don't take it that way.
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Chew86 said...
What is racism? It is making a negative generalization about a group of people based on a single shared characteristic (specifically race).
You are making a negative generalization about a group of people based on a single shared characteristic - their political leaning.
So by calling conservative racist you are proving yourself to be just as ignorant and narrow minded as actual racists.
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Why Americans Support Voter ID Laws By Jack Kelly The state chairman of Indiana's Democratic Party resigned recently as a probe of election fraud in the 2008 Democratic presidential primary widened.
State law requires a presidential candidate to gather 500 valid signatures in each county to qualify for the ballot. Barack Obama may not have met it. Investigators think 150 of the 534 signatures the Obama campaign turned in for St. Joseph County may have been forged.
Yet Democrats say that measures to guard against vote fraud are racist Republican plots to disenfranchise minority voters.
Republicans "want to literally drag us back to Jim Crow laws," said Rep. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, D-Fla, chair of the Democratic National Committee.
The NAACP has asked the United Nations to intervene to block state voter ID laws. It may have an ulterior motive for opposing ballot security measures. An NAACP official was convicted on 10 counts of absentee voter fraud in Tunica County, Miss., in July.
Former Democratic Rep. Artur Davis, who is black, said vote fraud is rampant in African-American districts like his in Alabama.
"The most aggressive contemporary voter suppression in the African-American community is the wholesale manufacture of ballots at the polls and absentee, in parts of the Black Belt," Mr. Davis said. "Voting the names of the dead, and the nonexistent, and the too mentally impaired to function cancels out the votes of citizens who are exercising their rights."
Laws requiring photo IDs suppress minority voting, Democrats charge. The facts say otherwise. In Georgia, black voter turnout for the midterm election in 2006 was 42.9 percent. After Georgia passed photo ID, black turnout in the 2010 midterm rose to 50.4 percent. Black turnout also rose in Indiana and Mississippi after photo IDs were required.
"Concerns about voter identification laws affecting turnout are much ado about nothing," concluded researchers at the universities of Delaware and Nebraska after examining election data from 2000 through 2006.
You need a photo ID to get on an airplane or an Amtrak train; to open a bank account, withdraw money from it, or cash a check; to pick up movie and concert tickets; to go into a federal building; to buy alcohol and to apply for food stamps.
Most Americans don't think it's a hardship to ask voters to produce one. A Rasmussen poll in June indicated 75 percent of respondents support photo ID requirements. Huge majorities of Hispanics support voter ID laws, according to a Resurgent Republic poll in September.
This year there have been investigations, indictments or convictions for vote fraud in California, Texas, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, Georgia, North Carolina and Maryland. In all but one case, the alleged fraudsters were Democrats.
In none would the fraud alleged have altered a major election, Democrats note. But in the Illinois gubernatorial election in 1982, 100,000 votes cast in Chicago -- 10 percent of the total -- were fraudulent, the U.S. attorney there estimated.
Fraud of the magnitude which swings elections typically combines absentee ballot fraud and voter registration fraud. At least 55 employees or associates of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now have been convicted of registration fraud in 11 states, says Matthew Vadum of the Capital Research Center, who's written a book about ACORN.
Of 1.3 million new registrations ACORN turned in in 2008, election officials rejected 400,000.
"There is no question about the legitimacy or importance of a state's interest in counting only eligible voters' votes," wrote liberal Justice John Paul Stevens for a 6-3 majority in the Supreme Court's 2008 decision upholding Indiana's ID law, the toughest in the nation.
In a speech Tuesday at the Lyndon Baines Johnson Library at the University of Texas, Attorney General Eric Holder announced a full scale assault on the laws the Supreme Court said are constitutional and necessary.
Mr. Holder -- who apparently won't prosecute violations of the Voting Rights Act if the victims are white -- picked an appropriate venue for his attack on the integrity of the ballot. LBJ stole his first election to the Senate, according to one of his biographers.
A recent Gallup poll indicates why Mr. Holder is trying so hard to gut ballot security measures. Mr. Obama trails in all swing states. Democrats fear they can't win next year unless they cheat.
Oh, an then there is this BTW... http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/april_2012/73_think_photo_id_requirement_before_voting_does_not_discriminate
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dave1954 said...
Let me explain. Not all Cons or Libs are racists. But when some use the language and defend some of the programs that are racist, they are racist. I don't believe all people that vote for Romney are racist, that would be silly. But when you follow Limbaugh and agree with his thoughts then you have racist leanings.
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playmea said...
Do all conservatives follow Limbaugh? Is Limbaugh truly a racist? Or has Limbaugh made similar generalizations as yourself that you are holding him accountable for, yet you excuse your own actions?
Are you giving Limbaugh an opportunity to clarify himself? Has Limbaugh ever came out and said "Oh no, the Libs are right, I'm a racist"?
I think there is a double standard here. Such things are common with people who share the propensity for prejudice. You judge the world but refuse to hold yourself to the same standard. Because in your mind, it must be justified. Hence your defense of your actions.
I don't listen to Rush. I don't know what he's said. But I follow this board. I find it ironic that the person who most often plays the "racism" card is also the same person who exhibits the most prejudice.
Until you can manage to end such a fundamental contradiction, your views have no validity. Because how can anyone truly take you seriously?
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dave1954 said...
No. Yes. No. He has clarified himself over and over, he is a RACIST! Do you have a degree in psychology? If you don't you shouldn't try to analyze others. And I don't care if you ake me seriously, I only care about those that I respect. You are not in that category.
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dave1954 said...
Yeah right! Keep saying that and pretty soon you will believe it. Itts just a coincidence that this is happening in Republican lead states and most of the people that will be affected are minorities. Get your head out of the sand.
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playmea said...
Reading comprehension is lacking here. You don't even understand the flaw in your own language.
Buckeye Warrior said "most affected"...
YOU said "only people affected"... See the difference?
You are correct that speeders are not the only people affected. But thats NOT like what Warrior was saying. If your analogy was correct, then your analogy would be, "thats like saying speeders are most affected by speeding laws". To that, I would agree. Because the entire point of the law is targeting speeders. Now everyone gets impacted in some manner. Just like with voting laws. But Warrior is correct. The people MOST affected are those being targeted. Which in this case are illegal voters.
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dabaker1983 said...
No. I used the word "like" because saying what he said is almost as stupid as saying what I said. They are similar to each other. It wasn't meant to go any deeper than the clear stupidity. I would argue that those being most affected are the ones who would be most affected by it, not the illegal voters but the legal ones who might now struggle to get what is needed to vote. The illegal voters are still going to be illegal voters. It's just now many legal ones have an added hoop to jump through. The percentages of people who vote legally are much higher than the percentages of those who vote illegally. It affects the legal voters more.
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THAT IS ABSURD!!!!!!!!!!! You mean to tell me that legal US citizens don't know how to get a damn ID????????? Are you honestly saying that? Are you honestly going to sit there and say that legal US citizens are going to be more freaking impacted on this because they can't prove their damn citizenship? How hard is it?
I'll admit there are some minor cases out there for select circumstances. But you are trying to argue that this is greater than the number of voters out there attempting to vote without providing any proof of citizenship. And oyu are calling the other argument "stupid".
It's not "like" it. It's not close. Its completely different. Thats why the distinctions are important. You can try to twist it to meet your argument but you are simply incorrect and reaching as hard as you can to make some ridiculous claim.
Here is the skinny of it. If you want to vote, prove you are a damn citizen. I don't mind doing it. I take pride in proving I am a citizen. Voting is not a human right. Its a privilege given to citizens of this country. Just like its NOT a privilege provided in other countries. If you want to vote, prove you are a citizen. One way to do that is to provide identification. Lets end this BS that such a request is some oppressive measure meant to disenfranchise helpless people. Its a stupid battle and I'm offended it even is a battle. I'm not even a Republican. I'm a child of immigrants. Even they can't believe this argument Democrats are making. It's absurd.
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dabaker1983 said...
It's only absurd because you don't want to believe it. You think getting an ID should be no big deal so why doesn't everyone do it. The assumption should be that you are registered and eligible to vote because you show up with the current requirements. There is no evidence of a sudden surge in voter fraud. Legislators have a responsibility to show us why they are changing or adding legislation. It's kind of like the deficit hawks. If you worried about deficit spending when Bush was President, good job for consistancy. If you weren't worried about it until Obama became president, you are doing it for political reasons.
This post was edited by sryan2 on 7/19/2012 at 3:08 PM
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sryan2 said...
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/april_2012/73_think_photo_id_requirement_before_voting_does_not_discriminate
No real need to discuss any further. However, if you must, here is another nail in your coffin... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKAiOXlvUjQ .
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dabaker1983 said...
It's only absurd because you don't want to believe it. You think getting an ID should be no big deal so why doesn't everyone do it. The assumption should be that you are registered and eligible to vote because you show up with the current requirements. There is no evidence of a sudden surge in voter fraud. Legislators have a responsibility to show us why they are changing or adding legislation. It's kind of like the deficit hawks. If you worried about deficit spending when Bush was President, good job for consistancy. If you weren't worried about it until Obama became president, you are doing it for political reasons.
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