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Enhanced Video Shows Gashes On Zimmerman's Head

  • ABC News paid to have the video of Zimmerman coming into the police station enhanced. The higher quality video shows that Zimmerman did have gashes on the back of his head. http://news.yahoo.com/video/us-22424932/george-zimmerman-enhanced-video-shows-injury-28804646.html;_ylt=AgCaQfBEaxl8.CKXN7F1HMGs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTFncjFpZnYxBG1pdANUb3BTdG9yeSBGUARwa2cDMjg4MDQ2NDYEcG9zAzEEc2VjA3RvcF9zdG9yeQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTFrM25vcXFyBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdAMEcHQDc2VjdGlvbnMEdGVzdAM-;_ylv=3#crsl=%252Fvideo%252Fus-22424932%252Fgeorge-zimmerman-enhanced-video-shows-injury-28804646.html That video combined with a witness that saw Zimmerman getting beaten up and police reports that he was bleeding from his nose and from the back of his head make it an extreme longshot he will ever get convicted of anything. The video supports Zimmerman's claim that his head was being slammed against concrete. They might still try to convict him to provide political cover but my guess is it would end up as a hung jury no matter how many times you tried to prosecute him. The district attorney knew he couldn't win the case and that is why he didn't try to prosecute the case in the first place.

    This post was edited by ng164300 on 4/2/2012 at 10:48 AM

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  • I posted this in the Journalistic thread, but it is relevant to this topic as well: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/02/nbc-news-trayvon-martin-internal-investigation_n_1396442.html

    It seems NBC News got caught editing video to fit their narrative, AGAIN!

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  • Buckeye Warrior said...

    I posted this in the Journalistic thread, but it is relevant to this topic as well: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/02/nbc-news-trayvon-martin-internal-investigation_n_1396442.html

    It seems NBC News got caught editing video to fit their narrative, AGAIN!

    The media really wants this to be about race so people will be outraged and the media can stretch this story out forever. The media has distorted this case about a dozen different ways.

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  • ng164300 said...

    The media really wants this to be about race so people will be outraged and the media can stretch this story out forever. The media has distorted this case about a dozen different ways.

    It is about race. Trayvon Martin was shot because he was BLACK. End of story.

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  • nydray26 said...

    It is about race. Trayvon Martin was shot because he was BLACK. End of story.

    Trayvon was shot because he was beating a man that was lying on the ground. End of story.

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  • No, moron, he was shot because Zimmerman should have been minding his business, but instead stalked the kid until the kid confronted him. This would NEVER have happened if Zimmmerman wasnt a whack job trying to play cop even when 911 told him to leave the kid alone. Hell, if some stranger is stalking me I am going to confront him too and beat his azzz! Also, he WAS stalking him in part because he was black...thats clear. So stop being an angry white male and just think about it from the families point of view...their kid is DEAD and rotting in the ground because some bigoted barney fife wanna be didnt mind his own business and stalked a kid for NO REASON. You wouldnt defend yourself if some stranger was following you for no reason? What if it was your son? I bet you would sure feel different and would be thinking, why didnt this guy leave my kid alone, why was he following him, harassing him? At the very least he should be charged with criminal menacing or manslaughter. I dont think he meant to kill the kid, but his own stupidity put them both in a situation that would not have happened had ne not stalked the kid.

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  • We still don't know the full details of how the shooting occurred. But we do know that Zimmerman didn't just see a black kid and shoot him. We know there was much more to it. So concluding that Trayvon was shot solely because he was black is beyond a massive stretch.

    I'm sure there are elements of profiling which could suggest generalizations here. But thats the best you could do.

    As it stands now, with what we know, the evidence suggests Trayvon was shot because some idiot brought a gun to neighborhood watch (instead of mace, flashlight and whistle), didn't make himself obvious & easily identifiable as neighborhood watch (perhaps by wearing a reflective vest or even a shirt that says "neghborhood watch"), pursued someone despite being told not to (when calling out to the kid and asking if he needed help may have been smarter), got into a scuffle with that individual (when probably should/could have avoided in the first place) and may or may not have used inappropriate measures for self-defense in firing his weapon (because lets face it, he shouldn't have had a gun on him and firing your weapon is a last resort).

    I am a gun owner and a 2nd amendment advocate. But this guy was a jackass moron. You're not some vigilante hero. So you don't need to bring lethal measures with you. Groups like the "Guardian Angels" have been doing this kind of stuff for 30 yrs in far worse communities and they manage not to kill unarmed kids. So I don't care what any video shows. I believe in my heart that his irresponsible actions led to the death of an unarmed child.

    With that said, I don't believe it was racially motivated for one second. And I believe race-baiters in this instance are some of the worst scumk on earth. People like that perpetuate racism. And I hate racism. So I absolutely can't stand people who perpetuate it.

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  • ng164300 said...

    Trayvon was shot because he was beating a man that was lying on the ground. End of story.

    Trayvon was stalked and cornered which is supported by girlfriends who was on the phone with Trayvon. The boy was seven houses away from home when confronted by Zimmerman so the notion that we would circle around and attack Zimmerman is crazy. Also voice analysis showed Trayvon was the one screaming. A witness also saw Zimmerman on top of the boy. Trayvon was pushed and fought back for his life with a man that had a gun. It is not about if this child was black or white, but he was profiled and now is dead.

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  • goby said...

    No, moron, he was shot because Zimmerman should have been minding his business, but instead stalked the kid until the kid confronted him. This would NEVER have happened if Zimmmerman wasnt a whack job trying to play cop even when 911 told him to leave the kid alone. Hell, if some stranger is stalking me I am going to confront him too and beat his azzz! Also, he WAS stalking him in part because he was black...thats clear. So stop being an angry white male and just think about it from the families point of view...their kid is DEAD and rotting in the ground because some bigoted barney fife wanna be didnt mind his own business and stalked a kid for NO REASON. You wouldnt defend yourself if some stranger was following you for no reason? What if it was your son? I bet you would sure feel different and would be thinking, why didnt this guy leave my kid alone, why was he following him, harassing him? At the very least he should be charged with criminal menacing or manslaughter. I dont think he meant to kill the kid, but his own stupidity put them both in a situation that would not have happened had ne not stalked the kid.

    If you attack someone just because they are following you then they are justified in shooting you. You sound like a thug. My race has nothing to do with it seeing as how this is a hispanic guy shooting a black guy. The funeral director said that Trayvon didn't have a scratch on him but there is proof that Zimmerman had injuries. It is pretty clear who attacked who.

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  • ng164300 said...

    If you attack someone just because they are following you then they are justified in shooting you. You sound like a thug. My race has nothing to do with it seeing as how this is a hispanic guy shooting a black guy. The funeral director said that Trayvon didn't have a scratch on him but there is proof that Zimmerman had injuries. It is pretty clear who attacked who.

    So we are to believe this kid is seven house away from home and attacks Zimmerman! The boy was running home when Zimmerman caught him. The girlfriend heard the confrontation. Trayvon ask him why are you following me and did not say the garbage Zimmerman said. Zimmerman said why are you here. In a case like his once you get caught in a lie it nullifies everything you say. Yes, there was an altercation and if you stalk by a guy with a gun wouldn't you fight for your life!

    You cannot cry stand your ground if you pursue an innocent person with a gun and get beat up! Trayvon had a right to stand his ground too! A kid with candy and tea talking to his girlfriend on the phone gets shot seven houses away from home by a grown man who was instructed to leave him alone with a gun and he is a thug! Experts, have also said it was Trayvon crying for help.

    Are we still in Jim Crow American were black males don't have rights and have to prove they are not guilty?

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  • goby said...

    No, moron, he was shot because Zimmerman should have been minding his business, but instead stalked the kid until the kid confronted him. This would NEVER have happened if Zimmmerman wasnt a whack job trying to play cop even when 911 told him to leave the kid alone. Hell, if some stranger is stalking me I am going to confront him too and beat his azzz! Also, he WAS stalking him in part because he was black...thats clear. So stop being an angry white male and just think about it from the families point of view...their kid is DEAD and rotting in the ground because some bigoted barney fife wanna be didnt mind his own business and stalked a kid for NO REASON. You wouldnt defend yourself if some stranger was following you for no reason? What if it was your son? I bet you would sure feel different and would be thinking, why didnt this guy leave my kid alone, why was he following him, harassing him? At the very least he should be charged with criminal menacing or manslaughter. I dont think he meant to kill the kid, but his own stupidity put them both in a situation that would not have happened had ne not stalked the kid.

    I agree with Goby here.

    Let's all take race out of the equation and look at the facts here. One guy who is a part of a neighborhood watch sees a young man walking through the neighborhood that he doesn't recognize. He notifies the police. while talking to the police they tell him to stop following the person in question, he ignores the request and continues to follow. not only does he continue to follow this person but he gets out of his car and stalks this person. He confronts the person he is following and there is an altercation that ensues. The stalker then shoots the person that he confronted because he was getting beaten up? I know that there was more detail to the story but that is the enough of it for any rational person to see that the stalker should have stopped when the police advised it. IT is unfortunate that this has become a racially charged issue when it should be a right versus wrong issue.

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  • AGREED 1000%.

    I am Puerto Rican and i would have to say that by what we know Zimmerman was in the wrong from the 911 call on!

    It should have never happened if he listens to authorities in the 1st place.

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  • I would also say that Zimmerman should feel afraid for his life. I can't speek on Travon's family but if this was my kid, this guy never makes it out of the hospital!

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  • goby said...

    Hell, if some stranger is stalking me I am going to confront him too and beat his azzz!

    This is the second person I've seen that maintains that someone should have their "azz" beaten for following someone in their neighborhood. Since when have we become so righteously defensive that we can beat someone up for simply conducting themselves in a legal manner that makes us feel possibly uncomfortable? If so then I am free to beat up someone who protests against a cause I support. I am free to beat someone up who has a tattoo I don't like. I am free to beat someone up that can't seem to wear their pants over their underwear.

    From my point of view, if you are willing to attack someone for simply following you, you are much more of the problem in this issue than the solution.

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    At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.

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  • Because Martin felt threatened. Let's reverse the scenario...if a black man shot an unarmed white teenager because of a fist fight he would be in jail facing the death penalty right now. So with your logic every person who gets into a bar fight, even if they started it, can pull a gun and shoot anyone. You are an idiot if you believe this crap!

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  • grccoins said...

    This is the second person I've seen that maintains that someone should have their "azz" beaten for following someone in their neighborhood. Since when have we become so righteously defensive that we can beat someone up for simply conducting themselves in a legal manner that makes us feel possibly uncomfortable? If so then I am free to beat up someone who protests against a cause I support. I am free to beat someone up who has a tattoo I don't like. I am free to beat someone up that can't seem to wear their pants over their underwear.

    From my point of view, if you are willing to attack someone for simply following you, you are much more of the problem in this issue than the solution.

    I agree with you here. But there is a question of impression from Trayvon that we'll never get to know. Unfortunately, the world only gets to hear Zimmerman's side of the story.

    I wonder if Trayvon was legitimately scared. I wonder if the scenario might be slightly different. What if Trayvon noticed a dark, mysterious and unknown figure following him? What if he overheard the conversation Zimmerman was having with his girlfriend on the cell phone? What if Trayvon hear something in that conversation to make him feel threatened? What if Trayvon eventually felt cornered? Fight or flight would set in. Trayvon would make a decision. If at all Trayvon saw that gun and felt cornered with no other options, he absolutely would fight.

    I can tell you, if an unknown person was following me in the middle of the night I would be TERRIFIED!!!! If I was a teenager, I would be even more scared. There is a point in my fear where I accept reality and instead of wanting to escape, I want to face it. So I can certainly see a scenario where if Trayvon were alive today, HE might be the one claiming self-defense.

    But we don't know any of the details from Trayvon's perspective. Because he is dead. We only get to hear the claims from the killer's perspective.

    I can tell you, its hard for me to believe someone claiming self-defense when they initiated the actions that got the accused killed in the first place (by following). Its even harder for me to believe self-defense when he is the one with the gun and the kid has nothing on him but candy. Its even harder for me to believe he was the one who felt threatened and that he was in mortal danger when he was armed with a life-taking weapon and the kid has skittles and is easily 40-50 lbs less than him.

    So, I can tell you, I can easily see how Trayvon might have felt that taking the initiative and attacking Zimmerman may have been the best option. Especially when he is a kid and hasn't matured enough to know better ways to get out of such situations. I can tell you that I can see how I personally might have felt something similar.

    I would advise anyone, do not follow me alone at night when I am by myself. I will get scared and panic. If I do, I may think the worst. If I eventaully determine you are a threat to me, I will do something. I won't have a gun on me. But you will wish you would not have followed me.

    I'm not saying Trayvon was right to throw the first punch. But I'm also not saying he was wrong. And given that Zimmerman was the one holding the gun and eventually killed Trayvon, I'm on Trayvon's side as far as feeling any sort of threat.

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  • This post was edited by TerryD on 4/3/2012 at 3:52 PM

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  • grccoins said...

    This is the second person I've seen that maintains that someone should have their "azz" beaten for following someone in their neighborhood. Since when have we become so righteously defensive that we can beat someone up for simply conducting themselves in a legal manner that makes us feel possibly uncomfortable? If so then I am free to beat up someone who protests against a cause I support. I am free to beat someone up who has a tattoo I don't like. I am free to beat someone up that can't seem to wear their pants over their underwear.

    From my point of view, if you are willing to attack someone for simply following you, you are much more of the problem in this issue than the solution.

    Sorry but the only person lawfully going about is business was Martin. See you my friend is the reason so many young blacks and hispanics are wrongly killed by police and then justified. Martin didn't hunt someone down nor threaten anyone. he was followed. I would like to see what would you do if some strange person approached you with a gun after following. So you are supposed to stay there? No you run which he did and then was caught by Zimmerman where a fight occurred. My question for you, why does Zimmerman have a right to self defense but Martin doesn't. Is that because he is black and in your eyes guilty of doing nothing but walking while black?

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  • ng164300 said...

    Trayvon was shot because he was beating a man that was lying on the ground. End of story.

    Trayvon was shot by a man that should never have been issued a handgun permit in the first place, who was also told by officers not to continue pursuit. Regardless of Zimmerman's guilt, I personally hope they hang this guy from a fucking yardarm with his stomach slit open so the crows can eat his guts while he's still alive to deter people from thinking they can go vigilante and be the goddamned Batman. We have law enforcement services in this country for a reason, let them do their fucking job. I don't care if the victim is black, white, brown, red, yellow, purple, pink with blue polka dots. Nobody has the right to be a vigilante. End of story.

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  • grccoins said...

    This is the second person I've seen that maintains that someone should have their "azz" beaten for following someone in their neighborhood. Since when have we become so righteously defensive that we can beat someone up for simply conducting themselves in a legal manner that makes us feel possibly uncomfortable? If so then I am free to beat up someone who protests against a cause I support. I am free to beat someone up who has a tattoo I don't like. I am free to beat someone up that can't seem to wear their pants over their underwear.

    From my point of view, if you are willing to attack someone for simply following you, you are much more of the problem in this issue than the solution.

    When you see all the things Zimmerman said it just does not add up. He was trying to hold the kid there until the place came and was beat up. Also, Trayvon was 7 houses away from home so we are to believe he doubled back and attack Zimmerman when he's on the phone with his girlfriend afraid of what this guy is up too? Zimmerman will be charged because of the lies he told, but may get off because a a dead child cannot tell his story, but just like in the OJ case Zimmerman and his family will lose everything after the civil case.

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  • grccoins said...

    This is the second person I've seen that maintains that someone should have their "azz" beaten for following someone in their neighborhood. Since when have we become so righteously defensive that we can beat someone up for simply conducting themselves in a legal manner that makes us feel possibly uncomfortable? If so then I am free to beat up someone who protests against a cause I support. I am free to beat someone up who has a tattoo I don't like. I am free to beat someone up that can't seem to wear their pants over their underwear.

    From my point of view, if you are willing to attack someone for simply following you, you are much more of the problem in this issue than the solution.

    The problem, legally, is that while you have the right to defend one's 'castle' with deadly force if confronted with like force, one's castle does not extend beyond the confines of your property, and it most certainly does not extend into the street (except under this fucked up interpretation of Florida Law). By extension if this were a broadly applied law, it would be ok for me, because I don't like how you look, and perceive you as a threat to my home in Minneapolis, to I follow you to Texas on I-35 and gun you down.

    Again, regardless of guilt, take this guy, hang him from a fucking yardarm, so people don't go around thinking they are the goddamned Batman. There is no place for vigilanteism in our system of justice.

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  • I'd like to say that I fully support and promote the idea of Neighborhood Watch. But what Zimmerman did was reckless and irresponsible. If you are on watch you should:

    1. Not be armed!!!
    2. If you are armed with anything, it should be non-lethal (pepper spray, mace, taser)
    3. You should be EASILY identifiable. There is a reason police, fireman and EMTs have distinguishable uniforms
    4. You ONLY report, you NEVER engage (making a fall call is ALL you are supposed to do)
    5. Carry a flashlight and a whistle (something that makes noise)
    6. Not be by yourself. Have a partner

    These are simply rules. Because of this, I also believe the organizers of the Neighborhood Watch should be punished to some extent as well. Especially if they allowed Zimmerman to carry a gun during watch.

    Seriously, think about safety for all parties. What if it wasn't Trayvon, but what if it was a nefarious criminal armed to the teeth and experienced in killing people. Zimmerman would be the one dead because of his stupid actions. The point is, nothing good was going to come from the decisions he made.

    Instead Zimmerman looks like a dude hell bent on vigilante justice that got an unarmed teenager killed.

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  • fstargell said...

    Sorry but the only person lawfully going about is business was Martin. See you my friend is the reason so many young blacks and hispanics are wrongly killed by police and then justified. Martin didn't hunt someone down nor threaten anyone. he was followed. I would like to see what would you do if some strange person approached you with a gun after following. So you are supposed to stay there? No you run which he did and then was caught by Zimmerman where a fight occurred. My question for you, why does Zimmerman have a right to self defense but Martin doesn't. Is that because he is black and in your eyes guilty of doing nothing but walking while black?

    No, my friend, the problem is that you. like many, are stating facts about this case which you nor anyone other than Zimmerman know. Zimmerman may not have been going about "his business" but he was lawfully doing so. You don't know that Martin ran and was caught by Zimmerman. By inserting these "facts" you are showing your bias in the face of lack of knowledge.

    I never said anything about this case in particular, I was addressing the concept that people in here feel it is OK to beat someone up simply because they are following you. Maybe you dropped your wallet and they are bringing it to you. Maybe they think they know you but aren't sure. It's not reason for a beating.

    You need to be concerned about facts and not your passions in the issue and the incident.

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  • hdworship said...

    When you see all the things Zimmerman said it just does not add up. He was trying to hold the kid there until the place came and was beat up. Also, Trayvon was 7 houses away from home so we are to believe he doubled back and attack Zimmerman when he's on the phone with his girlfriend afraid of what this guy is up too? Zimmerman will be charged because of the lies he told, but may get off because a a dead child cannot tell his story, but just like in the OJ case Zimmerman and his family will lose everything after the civil case.

    I don't know why you quoted me. I made no statements about the Martin/Zimmerman case. I simply said I don't see the rationale for beating someone up because they follow you. Either you erred or read something in my post that isn't there.

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    At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.

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