The Bucknuts Hot Spot

What can you say?, Romney knows a winning line when he hears one.

Good one Tim! I am still laughing! You are a great debater. You know exactly how to take out of context phrases to get morons like McCague to lap it up. Obama has proven over his last 3.5 years to be the most antibusiness President we have ever had in this nations history. Get used to saying "President Romney" because it is coming.

There's a difference between saying "someone helped me" and "you didn't build your business", a HUGE difference. Once again, Tim just carries those water buckets for Barry and the gang, no matter how heavy they get. Getting tired yet, Timmy? No? Ok, just keep carrying them then.

People are more interested in jobs and the economy. They could careless what Mitt's wife has to say.

Did you actually watch the rest of the video, or did you just take the out of context quote from the website without hearing the rest of Romney's message?

Part of what Obama said was correct, and Romney is reinforcing that. That is that the government should be structured in a way such to encourage and grow small businesses. Nobody is arguing the fact that entrepreneurs need help and support to build their business, and these resources should be made available.

That is where the similarities end. What was so enraging about what Obama said is the idea that business owners were not responsible for their own success. These things are certainly helpful to business owners and make things easier for them, but to say they would not have succeeded without them is offensive.

There is a subtle, but BIG difference between receiving support or help from something and being completely reliant on it.

Sorry that your reading and listening comprehension skills are so poor. He absolutely did not say "you didn't build your business" he said "you didn't do that" with the "do that" referring to creating the system in which businesses could thrive, building bridges and roads, and from the sentence that comes next the internet.

This is not carrying water, it is being able to understand the spoken and written word. Any objective person with sixth grade listening/reading comprehension skills would be able to understand it exactly as Obama meant it.

If it's so obvious, why didn't you make that point in the original thread? Funny how you only come to this conclusion after Obama's team put out the damage control statement saying this exact same thing today?

So in my insomnia, I've been reading many articles on this subject on both sides of the story.

For something that is SO obvious, then why can't I find a single article that explained Obama meant that business owners didn't build the roads/internet/etc put out before Obama's "explanation"? EVERYONE thought that he was talking about building their actual businesses - yourself included.

LOL

I argued the exact same point prior to Obama's team coming out with it. It is not a coincident that they are the same - it is because they are true. I watched Obama give the speech and knew exactly what he was saying when he was actually saying it. If anyone took a cue from someone it was you. Because you are just repeating the con/GOP talking points on the speech.

The other evidence that you buy into the most of the GOP mythology is you are repeating their mantra "he is clueless on how business works." The only problem is that in our history there have only been a few really successful businessmen even elected and none have been very successful as president. Which of our presidents in the last 100 years were really successful businessmen before becoming president and how successful were they as presidents? (sounds like a new thread to me)

Obama's comments obviously have scared the hell out of TimMcM and his fellow liberals here and elsewhere... Of course the reason for this isn't that they don't agree with him, but rather that he actually expressed what he truly believes which they know is BAD news for election purposes... After all Obama is supposed to be a "moderate" (heavy sarcasm).

(As I said to another leftist lemming in a different thread) Wrong... It is people such as yourself who are trying to perform damage control after Obama went off message without a teleprompter and exposed his true views which do NOT resonate with the majority of the American public. Please stop insulting people by suggesting they aren't intelligent enough to understand what the President said and how he meant it... His talk of "there are a whole bunch of hard working people out there" and "there are a lot of smart people out there" is condescending, arrogant, and elitist (then again, maybe that is EXACTLY who he has been all along). The damage has indeed been done but it was entirely self-inflicted. The American public was fooled once... They won't be fooled twice by the rhetoric and hollow promises (or styrofoam Greek columns for that matter)... Jimmy Carter redux.

Lastly, what a hypocrite you are TimMcM... Chastising others for using names like "Obummer". This coming from the person who routinely calls another poster "Menstrual". You are the most juvenile, vindictive poster on here who routinely gets into intense and often personal battles with anyone who disagrees with you (then tries to use pathetic excuses after you've embarrassed yourself for the 2,333rd time like "I didn't start it" or "I just respond in kind").

Please keep spinning as we "cons" are laughing at and relishing the spectacle as you and this exposed FAR left president keep digging a deeper hole denying who you are. I suppose I would too knowing this fact... http://www.gallup.com/poll/152021/conservatives-remain-largest-ideological-group.aspx .

Ok fine, I misread your other posts and I'll man up to being incorrect on that like you did to me the other day.

I'm not reporting talking points, I'm telling you how I interpreted the speech. The way he phrased his speech, each sentence was set up as an individual idea relating to the overall theme. He ls lays out several examples of things that were examples of community or government initiative - the American system, education, roads and highways, the internet, and lumps businesses right in the middle of there as if it were another example of something that was not built by an individual.

I know we're talking semantics here, but in the English language very small differences can change the entire message. If he would have said "If you own a business, you did not build those other things" we wouldn't be having this conversation. But he said "if you own a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen" "That" being a singular pronoun, referring back to the noun of the sentence, the business. Just like a teacher educated you, the government built the roads and the internet, somebody else made your business successful. And he didn't say "somebody helped you", he said "somebody made that happen." Again, I'm not arguing the overall context of the message. But the way he laid out the specific example of business owners implies he thinks they are not responsible for their own success.

And so I can't agree with the GOP on a few issues without being a mindless zombie carrying the flag for the party? Go look at my thoughts in the death penalty thread, does that sound like a GOP stance? If a thread comes up on DADT, gay marriage, immigration, or abortion I would argue for what is presumably your side. When is the last time you took a stance that was different from the Democrat platform?

Click on the picture for your answer.