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McCague said...
When Bush left office we were bleeding 600,000 jobs a month. As soon as Obama took office the trend reversed itself. Ever since job creation went to the positive it has not fallen into the negative category. Jobs are being created. Bush policies had them in the red (no pun intended) for years, and zero jobs were being created. If the republican congress would stop impeding jobs bills we could get out of this. But that won't happen in an election year if it didn't happen in preceding years.
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excabuckeye said...
Unless of course you take into account the reality of the number of new workers entering the workforce, the underemployed and those who have entirely dropped out of the job market and therefore don't count. That inconvenient truth says we're still going backwards.
But I'm sure you can explain that away by claiming it's W's fault and the fault of the 1%, right?
Yeah, I said it.
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excabuckeye
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excabuckeye said...
Until anyone can prove that higher taxes create jobs what's your point? Why don't you explain how raising taxes, whether on individuals or corporations, will create jobs? And what about all those jobs Obama created in the green energy industry by playing venture capitalist with money we borrowed from China?
Yeah, I said it.
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shalvoy said...
No one said that higher taxes contribute to job growth, but it has been claimed that lowering taxes will help the "job creators" create jobs (we now know that is just a plain lie). Higher taxes on a few would help subsidize education, medicaid, and SS. Areas that are severely lacking funding. To your point about President Obama playing venture capitalist, that could have happened to anyone, he invested in something that was within his vision of what will help the USA get back into the global energy market. You have a very narrow scope of success and how it benefits people. There have been infrastructure bills that have been rejected by the right along with Obamacare which would have been a boon for private for-profit insurance companies. Come up with solutions instead of bitching about the problems everyone knows we have.
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excabuckeye said...
That could have happened to anyone? Seriously? What qualifications does Obama, or anyone in the Federal government who never spent a day in private industry, have in determining how or where to "invest" in companies or industries? Their experience is limited to where they can best buy votes. And how do you know lower taxes don't create jobs? Liberals have no problem with crediting Obama for all the jobs he's saved or created with government "stimulus" but how does anyone really know what the situation would have been without the stimulus? At the same time what if the lower tax rates we've had in place prevented the job market from being much worse than it's actually been? No one really knows, do they - you can't argue it both ways, and nothing happens in a vacuum - everything has consequences. Here's a few solutions for you:
Don't allow the President to play venture capitalist with borrowed money. Fund only basic R&D from the federal government. Don't direcly fund politically connected companies. Don't appease the green movement by funding companies and industries with no workable business plan. Let the free market determine what companies and industries succeed or fail. Let venture capital professionals, who have just a little more experience in this area, fund startups.
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McCague said...
I believe he was alive and has been a witness during the past 11 years. As were we all.
Only a fool would say tax cuts during that time created jobs. It was quite the opposite - and continues today.....
Oh, I forgot, military jobs were created - through attrition.......
This post was edited by excabuckeye on 6/2/2012 at 4:26 PM
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excabuckeye said...
That could have happened to anyone? Seriously? What qualifications does Obama, or anyone in the Federal government who never spent a day in private industry, have in determining how or where to "invest" in companies or industries? Their experience is limited to where they can best buy votes. And how do you know lower taxes don't create jobs? Liberals have no problem with crediting Obama for all the jobs he's saved or created with government "stimulus" but how does anyone really know what the situation would have been without the stimulus? At the same time what if the lower tax rates we've had in place prevented the job market from being much worse than it's actually been? No one really knows, do they - you can't argue it both ways, and nothing happens in a vacuum - everything has consequences. Here's a few solutions for you:
Don't allow the President to play venture capitalist with borrowed money. Fund only basic R&D from the federal government. Don't direcly fund politically connected companies. Don't appease the green movement by funding companies and industries with no workable business plan. Let the free market determine what companies and industries succeed or fail. Let venture capital professionals, who have just a little more experience in this area, fund startups.
Yeah, I said it.
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shalvoy said...
You know that the Federal Government is not a private company, don't you?? They are not in the business of making money, they are in the business of making sure that everyone has an opportunity to do well and for the country to strive as a whole.
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