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Hypocrisy and Hate: Meet the Republican Party

  • gpracer73 said...

    You didnt specifically say anyone over 500,000 should pay an extra 5% you said all CEO's, you didnt mention the presidents fo unions should pay, you were countering that statement.

    so, once again let me ask you, in your world you are going to tax everyone that makes more than 500,000, ( I am assuming that you are talkign about personal income tax?) will that erase the current deficit we have? you propose no cuts to any programs? no increase in taxes to anyone that makes under 500,000? no re write of the tax codes, what would companies be taxed at?

    See to me you are using the typical liberal talking points you learn from MSNBC, the anwser to everything in your world in tax the rich and all of our problems go away? souns pretty simple minded to me

    Did I miss your budget plan being laid out somewhere?

    dabaker1983

  • dabaker1983 said...

    Did I miss your budget plan being laid out somewhere?

    In another thread I gave what I would like to see. but I am sure you didnt read it since it was not left leaning like you appreciate. I am waiting to see what Obama has tonight, depending on what is in his I would like to see some of Ryan's plan and a mix of Obama's from what has leaked.

    I think the entire Tax laws need re wrote to where companies and individuals cant take advantage of loop holes to avoid paying taxes. I would like to see all of the Bush tax cuts lifted and than the corporate tax lowered to be competeitive with the rest of the world. than possibly look at raising some of the taxes on middle to upper incomes.
    You have to make cuts across the board, there is not a program or department that should not see a cut no matter how painfull it be to everyone, this includes medicare, medicaid and SS. And Defense. Quit playing politics and grow the stones to revamp the entitlement programs.
    There was a great report out by the GAO showing all of the repititous departments and programs, stream line, automate and come into the 2000's and do more on line.
    take a serious hard look at the Helathcare reform, every month the CBO shows an adjustment upwards on what this is going to cost us, keep most of it but get serious and attack what is wrong with helathcare, go after the costs and what would make it cheaper for people to receive healthcare, dont just add the present uninsured to the present private insurance companies, that does not lower the cost of healthcare.

    Basically do what I dont see very many in washington will do, forget about getting re elected and make a serious effort to fix the problems, it cant happen overnight but show some effort, quit the politics crap that has been going on for over 30 years.

    there, i am sure none of what I said will actually happen, but how about you? where is your budget plan? or is it easier to jump on a message board and just talk off your partisian talking points like some do on this board.

    So Dabaker, do you think raising the taxes 5% to everyone that makes over 500,000 will eliminate the deficit?

    This post was edited by gpracer73 on 4/13/2011 at 2:54 PM

    gpracer73

  • gpracer73 said...

    In another thread I gave what I would like to see. but I am sure you didnt read it since it was not left leaning like you appreciate. I am waiting to see what Obama has tonight, depending on what is in his I would like to see some of Ryan's plan and a mix of Obama's from what has leaked.

    I think the entire Tax laws need re wrote to where companies and individuals cant take advantage of loop holes to avoid paying taxes. I would like to see all of the Bush tax cuts lifted and than the corporate tax lowered to be competeitive with the rest of the world. than possibly look at raising some of the taxes on middle to upper incomes. You have to make cuts across the board, there is not a program or department that should not see a cut no matter how painfull it be to everyone, this includes medicare, medicaid and SS. And Defense. Quit playing politics and grow the stones to revamp the entitlement programs. There was a great report out by the GAO showing all of the repititous departments and programs, stream line, automate and come into the 2000's and do more on line. take a serious hard look at the Helathcare reform, every month the CBO shows an adjustment upwards on what this is going to cost us, keep most of it but get serious and attack what is wrong with helathcare, go after the costs and what would make it cheaper for people to receive healthcare, dont just add the present uninsured to the present private insurance companies, that does not lower the cost of healthcare.

    Basically do what I dont see very many in washington will do, forget about getting re elected and make a serious effort to fix the problems, it cant happen overnight but show some effort, quit the politics crap that has been going on for over 30 years.

    there, i am sure none of what I said will actually happen, but how about you? where is your budget plan? or is it easier to jump on a message board and just talk off your partisian talking points like some do on this board.

    So Dabaker, do you think raising the taxes 5% to everyone that makes over 500,000 will eliminate the deficit?

    No it won't eliminate the deficit. No rational person thinks any one thing can eliminate the deficit. Everything you said is something that needs to be done but you act like me or Dave commenting on the need to have taxes changed for the wealthy is our only idea. It isn't. Even most Dems in Congress have more ideas than just that.

    dabaker1983

  • dabaker1983 said...

    No it won't eliminate the deficit. No rational person thinks any one thing can eliminate the deficit. Everything you said is something that needs to be done but you act like me or Dave commenting on the need to have taxes changed for the wealthy is our only idea. It isn't. Even most Dems in Congress have more ideas than just that.

    That's funny because the only thing I have seen you or Dave say is we have to tax the rich.

    You comment on my post, I havent seen your budget plan posted? the only one I have seen from you or Dave is taxing the rich.

    So what is your plan and what are most of the dems plan in congress? all I hear from them is raise taxes and the republicans want to kill old people? not very innovative thinking and if they have these ideas why did they not implement them last Oct 1 when the budget was due and they controlled both houses? instead they punted

    gpracer73

  • gpracer73 said...

    You didnt specifically say anyone over 500,000 should pay an extra 5% you said all CEO's, you didnt mention the presidents fo unions should pay, you were countering that statement.

    so, once again let me ask you, in your world you are going to tax everyone that makes more than 500,000, ( I am assuming that you are talkign about personal income tax?) will that erase the current deficit we have? you propose no cuts to any programs? no increase in taxes to anyone that makes under 500,000? no re write of the tax codes, what would companies be taxed at?

    See to me you are using the typical liberal talking points you learn from MSNBC, the anwser to everything in your world in tax the rich and all of our problems go away? souns pretty simple minded to me

    No it will not completely eliminate the deficit. But is that the reason we shouldn't get rid of the cuts? Hardly. And I don't get my talking points from MSNBC. I read and listen for myself. But I am sure you watch Fox.

    dave1954

  • dave1954 said...

    I read and listen for myself. But I am sure you watch Fox.

    lol

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  • dave1954 said...

    No it will not completely eliminate the deficit. But is that the reason we shouldn't get rid of the cuts? Hardly. And I don't get my talking points from MSNBC. I read and listen for myself. But I am sure you watch Fox.

    Well, let's hear all of these things you read and listen for yourself, dont doubt you do read and listen for yourself, I do have serious doubt you understand anything you do read and listen but hey.

    Let's hear your budget plan

    I dont care much for Fox but I am at least smart enough to know what they are preaching the same with MSNBC is just partisian BS.

    gpracer73

  • I would love to see everyone being treated as equals, as the constitution says we are. That would mean we all pay our fair share of taxes, no loop holes for anyone, rich or poor. I would be in favor of a flat tax, for this discusion say 25% off the top no exceptions. Of that 10% goes to the feds, 10% goes to the state, and 5% goes to the community I live in. Now balance your budgets. What more, find a way to get more income into the hands of the workers. No more extra taxes on property, food, gas, clothes, you name it.

    sirnut

  • gpracer73 said...

    Well, let's hear all of these things you read and listen for yourself, dont doubt you do read and listen for yourself, I do have serious doubt you understand anything you do read and listen but hey.

    Let's hear your budget plan

    I dont care much for Fox but I am at least smart enough to know what they are preaching the same with MSNBC is just partisian BS.

    How about we start with eliminating the tax breaks for the rich. Then we take the tax code back to 1983, the Reagan Years, and make it 50% for the rich. That's what Ronnie wanted.
    Then we close all tax loop holes for corporations. No more tax breaks when a company take their corporate offices out of the country. Put a surcharge, or tax on goods from China. Make it an even playing field with China and Japan because it isn't now. Give a tax break to companies that stay in the US and hire more workers. The more they hire the bigger the break. Remember, we eliminated the loopholes. Put a public option in the Healthcare Bill. Stop the insurance companies from raising their prices because they can. Go after Wall St. Put back regulations that stopped these greedy bastards from ruining the economy. I like Obama's idea of prescription costs being lowered because of competition. Then, get out of Afghanistan. And make Iraq pay us for the war like Rumsfeld said they would. There is a trillion right there.
    I think that's enough!

    dave1954

  • 47% of Americans do not pay taxes. Can you guess who that is? It is not the rich. How could you give a tax cut to the 47% who do not pay taxes? Get off the class warfare and think about it logically. You give tax credits to the people that pay taxes. lynchmob

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  • dave1954 said...

    How about we start with eliminating the tax breaks for the rich. Then we take the tax code back to 1983, the Reagan Years, and make it 50% for the rich. That's what Ronnie wanted. Then we close all tax loop holes for corporations. No more tax breaks when a company take their corporate offices out of the country. Put a surcharge, or tax on goods from China. Make it an even playing field with China and Japan because it isn't now. Give a tax break to companies that stay in the US and hire more workers. The more they hire the bigger the break. Remember, we eliminated the loopholes. Put a public option in the Healthcare Bill. Stop the insurance companies from raising their prices because they can. Go after Wall St. Put back regulations that stopped these greedy bastards from ruining the economy. I like Obama's idea of prescription costs being lowered because of competition. Then, get out of Afghanistan. And make Iraq pay us for the war like Rumsfeld said they would. There is a trillion right there. I think that's enough!

    Prescription costs being lowered by competition? You mean like generics? They have patent rights on prescriptions if they are anything but generic. Not sure what you mean by competition. Not saying you are wrong or anything I am just not sure what Obama or your plan is for making competition to lowering the cost of meds.

    Have to be careful bc Drug companies try and develop many drugs that never make it to market and they eat all the research costs on those. They make tons of money no doubt cannot argue that but eliminate the ability for the companies to profit substantially and you will symie the research for new meds not only for us but the world.

    Research for certain drug areas has already fallen off bc they are getting so specific. For instance developing a drug to fight a certain type of cancer. Often they are not spending money on that bc the market isnt that great. Many new drugs being used were being developed for something else and they "discover" a bennefit in other areas. A drug this well is Viagra which was not developed for erectile dysfunction but when they found out it worked for that they completely changed their marketing.

    buckiwild42

  • Obama brings a gun to a knife fight

    The McCain campaign and RNC are pouncing on another line from the Obama pool report:

    “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama said in Philadelphia last night. “Because from what I understand, folks in Philly like a good brawl. I’ve seen Eagles fans.”

    McCain and the RNC took on the comment in terms that will be very familiar to people who followed Clinton campaign statements last year:

    “Barack Obama’s call for ‘new politics’ is officially over. In just 24 hours, Barack Obama attacked one of America’s pioneering women CEOs, rejected a series of joint bipartisan town halls, and said that if there’s a political knife fight, he’d bring a gun," McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds said, referring also to the Obama campaign's shot at Carly Fiorina's lavish pay package and role in layoffs at Hewlett-Packard.

    “Why is Barack Obama so negative? In the last 24 hours, he’s completely abandoned his campaign’s call for ‘new politics,’ equating the election to a ‘brawl’ and promising to ‘bring a gun,' " said the RNC's Alex Conant.

    Obama doesn't actually use the phrase "new politics" a lot, and this is a box that the Clinton campaign tried, and failed, to keep him in last year, when it emerged early that he was happy to throw punches, and even to start fistfights, sending, for instance, the first negative mail to hit in Iowa last fall.

    Obama never paid much of a price for his willingness to go negative. He also, to be fair, never promised that he wouldn't attack, and indeed often promised to be tougher than past Democrats, and bragged of his Chicago training. He disavowed nasty character attacks, but then everybody disavows nasty character attacks.

    What's left of course, is to speculate on what form of political change Obama promises: It's not some sort of disarmament; it's not any large deviation from traditional Democratic policy; it's more a vaguer — and harder to control, and deliver — promise to lead the country past the deep cultural divisions around race, religion and even Vietnam that have dominated national politics for decades.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Bamabucknut on 4/27/2011 at 9:20 PM

    Obama brings a gun to a knife fight - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com

    Ben Smith's POLITICO.com blog on politics. Includes new political coverage of the White House and elections around the country.

    www.politico.com

    Bamabucknut

  • dave1954 said...

    How about we start with eliminating the tax breaks for the rich. Then we take the tax code back to 1983, the Reagan Years, and make it 50% for the rich. That's what Ronnie wanted. Then we close all tax loop holes for corporations. No more tax breaks when a company take their corporate offices out of the country. Put a surcharge, or tax on goods from China. Make it an even playing field with China and Japan because it isn't now. Give a tax break to companies that stay in the US and hire more workers. The more they hire the bigger the break. Remember, we eliminated the loopholes. Put a public option in the Healthcare Bill. Stop the insurance companies from raising their prices because they can. Go after Wall St. Put back regulations that stopped these greedy bastards from ruining the economy. I like Obama's idea of prescription costs being lowered because of competition. Then, get out of Afghanistan. And make Iraq pay us for the war like Rumsfeld said they would. There is a trillion right there. I think that's enough!

    The tax code may have been 50% during 1983, but that was hardly what Ronnie wanted. How are you going to tax a company that has moved out of the country? So you want to tax Chinese goods? Not a bad idea if you don't mind pissing off the world because you violate trade treaties, like the WTO. Back to Socialized Medicine. Why not? It hasn't really bankrupted European countries (wink). The government is also just going to step in and tell companies that they can not raise their prices? Is this America or Cuba? Go after Wall Street? Sure, why not drive off as many investors as you can. Get out of Afghanistan, I am on board with this. Make Iraq pay us? How? Another round of Shock and Awe?

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