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It Doesn't Look Good For Obamacare

  • Looks like Kennedy from his questioning is going to join the other 4 conservative justices and kill Obamacare.
    C&P

    By Jack Torry
    The Columbus DispatchTuesday March 27, 2012 1:16 PM

    WASHINGTON — Four of the Supreme Court’s conservative justices today sharply questioned a Justice Department attorney about the new health law, signaling their skepticism about the government’s claim that it can compel Americans to buy health insurance.

    In the second of three days of oral arguments on the constitutionality of the 2010 health law, the justices delved into the heart of the measure — a mandate that Americans buy a private health insurance policy or face a government fine.

    U.S. Solicitor General Donald Verrilli, who is defending the signature domestic achievement of President Barack Obama, argued that the Constitution grants Congress the power to regulate interstate commerce, which means lawmakers can regulate the insurance market.

    Verrilli said that because a large number of the 46 million Americans without insurance receive care at emergency rooms, the hospitals shift those costs to insured Americans. He cited studies that the cost of uncompensated care adds as much as $1,000 to the price of a typical insurance policy.

    But Verrilli came under a withering attack from Chief Justice John Roberts, and Justices Antonin Scalia, Anthony Kennedy, and Samuel Alito who expressed fears that if Congress could require people to buy insurance, it could insist they buy a wide array of consumer products.

    Roberts asked if the government could require people to buy cell phones so they could promptly report road accidents, while Scalia asked if the government could “make people buy broccoli.’’

    Alito, pointing out that everyone eventually will be either buried or cremated, wondered if the government could compel people to pay in advance for burial costs.

    But it was Kennedy’s skepticism that could pose the greatest danger to the new law. Although Kennedy was appointed to the bench in 1988 by Republican President Ronald Reagan, he has emerged as the court’s swing vote, veering either to the right or the left depending on the case.

    Kennedy told Verrilli that the government was asking the justices to move “a step beyond’’ what they have ruled in the past and pointedly added that the Obama administration has a “very heavy burden of justification’’ to demonstrate that Congress can require people to buy insurance.

    Kennedy’s comments, however, do not guarantee that he will join Roberts, Scalia, Alito and Clarence Thomas in striking down the mandate. Oral arguments can be notoriously misleading as justices often pose questions that do not reflect their own legal views.

    The court appeared to split apart on predictable lines. The four justices appointed by Democratic presidents — Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Elena Kagan, Stephen Breyer, and Sonia Sotomayor — appeared sympathetic to the new law.

    Ginsburg, in particular, was the most assertive, pointing out if a person chooses not “to participate in the insurance market,’’ he or she is “making it more expensive for people who do.”

    Sotomayor noted that “virtually nobody except for one percent of the population can afford’’ to pay crushing medical bills.’’

    As often happens in oral arguments, justices used their questions to indirectly talk to one another. When Ginsburg contended that those who do not buy insurance are raising the premiums for others, Scalia shot back, “You could say that about buying a car?’’

    “What is left if the government can do this?’’ Scalia asked. “What else can it not do?’’

    The justices are expected to issue their ruling by late June or early July.

    pazbuc

  • Ruling in June. 65% of legal scholars think it will be upheld. Don't fall for early arguments. The Supreme Court knows this is a legacy decision and they will render a decision that is good for America. I trust the Supreme Court whatever the decision is. These are much smarter people than Congress!!! As much as Gore vs Bush hurt the Dems America marched on. We will do it again.

    This post was edited by Buckrock on 3/27/2012 at 6:08 PM

    Buckrock

  • Buckrock said...

    Ruling in June. 65% of legal scholars think it will be upheld. Don't fall for early arguments. The Supreme Court knows this is a legacy decision and they will render a decision that is good for America. I trust the Supreme Court. These are much smarter people than Congress!!!

    Is that 65% since today's hearing?

    pazbuc

  • you got us pazbuc, your a real man

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    DSBUX

  • DSBUX said...

    you got us pazbuc, your a real man

    At least I know the difference between "your" and "you're".

    pazbuc

  • pazbuc said...

    Is that 65% since today's hearing?

    Im not the Gallup Poll man today Pazbuc!! blank

    This post was edited by Buckrock on 3/27/2012 at 6:39 PM

    Buckrock

  • Buckrock said...

    Im not the Gallup Poll man today Pazbuc!! blank

    Then where did your 65% come from? Most reports after today's arguements are saying it doesn't look good for Obamacare. It's not a lock but I didn't hear or read one report that thought Obamacare carried the day.

    pazbuc

  • Buckrock said...

    Ruling in June. 65% of legal scholars think it will be upheld. Don't fall for early arguments. The Supreme Court knows this is a legacy decision and they will render a decision that is good for America. I trust the Supreme Court whatever the decision is. These are much smarter people than Congress!!! As much as Gore vs Bush hurt the Dems America marched on. We will do it again.

    They won't "render a decision that is good for America". They render a decision based on Constitutional Law. I don't know where you got your stat, but most talking heads I see interview Constitutional Law Attorney's or Law Professors all think it is a 50-50 either way decision.

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  • pazbuc said...

    Then where did your 65% come from? Most reports after today's arguements are saying it doesn't look good for Obamacare. It's not a lock but I didn't hear or read one report that thought Obamacare carried the day.

    Kennedy did attack Obamacare. It isn't a slam dunk, but his line of questioning does seem to bode well for Freedom in this country! If the Liberals on the Supreme Court vote to uphold the Law, I wonder what their reasoning will be?

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  • Looks like our Supreme Court has become as partisan as our congress.

    ohiosteel1956

  • I Hate Politics!! But I love sensible, thoughtful and unselfish people, personality traits you rarely find in politicians! During a time of such economical strife, you would think the Gov't could devise a system that provides assistance for the less fortunate, without allowing lazy free loaders to take advantage of it! If everyone truly worked together, we could without a doubt construct such a health care plan, but as long as we stand divided by political labels, we will never reach our full potential as a nation!!

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  • ohiosteel1956 said...

    Looks like our Supreme Court has become as partisan as our congress.

    Recent presidents on both sides have vetted their selections to the court so throughly that a partisan court is not surprising. If a Democratic president has a chance to change the court from conservative to liberal the battle in the senate will be like nothing we have ever seen before.
    I hope that the SCOUS rejects Obamacare and in their ruling tells the congress to come up with a bi-partisan plan that will truly fix the healthcare problem. I am tired of both parties wanting it their way or the highway. That goes for the deficit as well.

    This post was edited by pazbuc on 3/27/2012 at 10:01 PM

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  • pazbuc said...

    Recent presidents on both sides have vetted their selections to the court so throughly that a partisan court is not surprising. If a Democratic president has a chance to change the court from conservative to liberal the battle in the senate will be like nothing we have ever seen before. I hope that the SCOUS rejects Obamacare and in their ruling tells the congress to come up with a bi-partisan plan that will truly fix the healthcare problem. I am tired of both parties wanting it their way or the highway. That goes for the deficit as well.

    Could you imagine Obama being forced to work in a Bi-partisan manner? He might resign the Presidency first!

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  • Buckeye Warrior said...

    They won't "render a decision that is good for America". They render a decision based on Constitutional Law. I don't know where you got your stat, but most talking heads I see interview Constitutional Law Attorney's or Law Professors all think it is a 50-50 either way decision.

    This is what a lot of people miss when they talk about our Supreme Court process. The court in theory is only supposed to decide on whether a law is in line with the outline of the constitution. Where you get the difference in opinion, again in theory, is whether a justice has a strict interpretation (typically a conservative) or loose interpretation (typically a liberal) of the constitution.

    We may disagree on issues, but at the end of the day we are all Americans - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSJoZiB-UGY&ob=av2e

    fbllman

  • Buckeye Warrior said...

    Could you imagine Obama being forced to work in a Bi-partisan manner? He might resign the Presidency first!

    Can you imagine Obama working with a Congress that allows majority rule?

    dave1954

  • ohiosteel1956 said...

    Looks like our Supreme Court has become as partisan as our congress.

    It always has been.

    slickwillie

  • DSBUX said...

    you got us pazbuc, your a real man

    the great DETOX crawls into the thread with no idea whats going on........

    minsterbuckeye

  • dave1954 said...

    Can you imagine Obama working with a Congress that allows majority rule?

    If Obama had just sat down with the GOP, in a REAL way to negotiate, he would have a Healthcare Law that most Americans like.

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  • Ginsburg said it best. She said she finds it very strange that if the government can force the young to buy into social security run by the govt, how can it not have the power to force people to buy into a privately run health care system.

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  • I agree. Allow voluntary privatization of social security. Glad you brought that up.

    nalancia

  • I actually want to privatize social security. Social security gives you a return of about 4.5%. The problem with that is inflation is around 4%. So your return is basically nothing.

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  • ng164300 said...

    Ginsburg said it best. She said she finds it very strange that if the government can force the young to buy into social security run by the govt, how can it not have the power to force people to buy into a privately run health care system.

    Bingo!!! Precedent was already set decades ago!!!!! This is Gore vs Bush II. That said, when the court speaks, its done!!!! I am fine with whatever verdict is rendered. The bill has great intentions but is too complex. Let's all continue to pay for the uninsured rather than have EVERYONE chip in and control the cost of insurance.

    Buckrock

  • Even if it is found to be unconstitutional there will inevitably have to be big changes in our health care system. We just can't afford to continue doing what we are doing. Health Care is now 18% of our GDP which is way more than all other industrialized countries pay.

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  • Obama-care was a big lie that was forced on the American people. The politicians that voted for it did not even read it. Many of the DNCs biggest financial supports have now become exempt from the giant turd. The politicians are exempt from this turd. If the unions don't want it and the president and his family and friends don't want it, why should we?

    jdawg1

  • ng164300 said...

    Even if it is found to be unconstitutional there will inevitably have to be big changes in our health care system. We just can't afford to continue doing what we are doing. Health Care is now 18% of our GDP which is way more than all other industrialized countries pay.

    This man speaks the truth!!!! Rock on!!!

    Buckrock