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It Doesn't Look Good For Obamacare

  • because Social Security is technically a tax. it's just that it was supposed to be put into a trust fund and distributed back upon retirement age. it hasn't quite worked out that way. but still, the federal government is given explicit authority to collect taxes, but has no authority to compel people to participate in commerce. you're comparing apples and oranges.

    TwinsBuck

  • ng164300 said...

    Ginsburg said it best. She said she finds it very strange that if the government can force the young to buy into social security run by the govt, how can it not have the power to force people to buy into a privately run health care system.

    Are you happy with how the government has run our social security system? Would you eat a shit sandwich if the government put it on your plate? I imagine you would.

    jdawg1

  • minsterbuckeye said...

    the great DETOX crawls into the thread with no idea whats going on........

    Minster, do you want to meet in public and discuss? Im in the Dayton area
    We can discuss our education

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    DSBUX

  • DSBUX said...

    Minster, do you want to meet in public and discuss? Im in the Dayton area We can discuss our education

    Are you two hooking up?

    Buckrock

  • Buckrock said...

    Are you two hooking up?

    DETOX is into those things, sorry I swing on the other side of the fence.....DETOX not sure what u are into, (NOT THAT THERE IS ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT...says Jerry......

    minsterbuckeye

  • DSBUX said...

    Minster, do you want to meet in public and discuss? Im in the Dayton area We can discuss our education

    DETOX, from your threads I think i already know what kind of education you have.....besides the way u ALWAYS talk about Minster.......I don't think u would be welcomed here....

    minsterbuckeye

  • ng164300 said...

    Ginsburg said it best. She said she finds it very strange that if the government can force the young to buy into social security run by the govt, how can it not have the power to force people to buy into a privately run health care system.

    Ginsberg also believes that there is no limit to the governments power.

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    Buckeye Warrior

  • pazbuc said...

    Then where did your 65% come from? Most reports after today's arguements are saying it doesn't look good for Obamacare. It's not a lock but I didn't hear or read one report that thought Obamacare carried the day.

    You are good with "your" and You're" but you can't spell arguments? BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    dave1954

  • Buckeye Warrior said...

    Could you imagine Obama being forced to work in a Bi-partisan manner? He might resign the Presidency first!

    Wrong! It would be just the opposite. Obama would work with the morons on the Right.

    dave1954

  • Buckeye Warrior said...

    If Obama had just sat down with the GOP, in a REAL way to negotiate, he would have a Healthcare Law that most Americans like.

    You're dilusional!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    dave1954

  • jdawg1 said...

    Obama-care was a big lie that was forced on the American people. The politicians that voted for it did not even read it. Many of the DNCs biggest financial supports have now become exempt from the giant turd. The politicians are exempt from this turd. If the unions don't want it and the president and his family and friends don't want it, why should we?

    And you certainly know a turd when you see one.

    dave1954

  • pazbuc said...

    Looks like Kennedy from his questioning is going to join the other 4 conservative justices and kill Obamacare.
    C&P

    By Jack Torry
    The Columbus DispatchTuesday March 27, 2012 1:16 PM

    WASHINGTON — Four of the Supreme Court’s conservative justices today sharply questioned a Justice Department attorney about the new health law, signaling their skepticism about the government’s claim that it can compel Americans to buy health insurance.

    In the second of three days of oral arguments on the constitutionality of the 2010 health law, the justices delved into the heart of the measure — a mandate that Americans buy a private health insurance policy or face a government fine.

    U.S. Solicitor General Donald Verrilli, who is defending the signature domestic achievement of President Barack Obama, argued that the Constitution grants Congress the power to regulate interstate commerce, which means lawmakers can regulate the insurance market.

    Verrilli said that because a large number of the 46 million Americans without insurance receive care at emergency rooms, the hospitals shift those costs to insured Americans. He cited studies that the cost of uncompensated care adds as much as $1,000 to the price of a typical insurance policy.

    But Verrilli came under a withering attack from Chief Justice John Roberts, and Justices Antonin Scalia, Anthony Kennedy, and Samuel Alito who expressed fears that if Congress could require people to buy insurance, it could insist they buy a wide array of consumer products.

    Roberts asked if the government could require people to buy cell phones so they could promptly report road accidents, while Scalia asked if the government could “make people buy broccoli.’’

    Alito, pointing out that everyone eventually will be either buried or cremated, wondered if the government could compel people to pay in advance for burial costs.

    But it was Kennedy’s skepticism that could pose the greatest danger to the new law. Although Kennedy was appointed to the bench in 1988 by Republican President Ronald Reagan, he has emerged as the court’s swing vote, veering either to the right or the left depending on the case.

    Kennedy told Verrilli that the government was asking the justices to move “a step beyond’’ what they have ruled in the past and pointedly added that the Obama administration has a “very heavy burden of justification’’ to demonstrate that Congress can require people to buy insurance.

    Kennedy’s comments, however, do not guarantee that he will join Roberts, Scalia, Alito and Clarence Thomas in striking down the mandate. Oral arguments can be notoriously misleading as justices often pose questions that do not reflect their own legal views.

    The court appeared to split apart on predictable lines. The four justices appointed by Democratic presidents — Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Elena Kagan, Stephen Breyer, and Sonia Sotomayor — appeared sympathetic to the new law.

    Ginsburg, in particular, was the most assertive, pointing out if a person chooses not “to participate in the insurance market,’’ he or she is “making it more expensive for people who do.”

    Sotomayor noted that “virtually nobody except for one percent of the population can afford’’ to pay crushing medical bills.’’

    As often happens in oral arguments, justices used their questions to indirectly talk to one another. When Ginsburg contended that those who do not buy insurance are raising the premiums for others, Scalia shot back, “You could say that about buying a car?’’

    “What is left if the government can do this?’’ Scalia asked. “What else can it not do?’’

    The justices are expected to issue their ruling by late June or early July.

    Let's see. The government forces us to pay taxes. The government forces us to buy insurance if we drive a car. The government forces us to buy a driver's licence if we want to drive. Funny, the government has been doing this for a long, long time.

    dave1954

  • dave1954 said...

    Wrong! It would be just the opposite. Obama would work with the morons on the Right.

    than why didnt Obama work with the Republicans back in 2009 when the health care debate was going on?

    the republicans put a healthcare reform plan forward in 2009
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/05/20/an_alternative_to_obamacare_96575.html

    all I ever hear is how the Republicans just said no at the time and did not get involved, that is not the case at all, they did attempt but since the Dems controlled all 3 parts in Wshington, the Dems didnt have to listen nor did they want to listen.

    both plans were a joke, the Dems wanted political points and we get something now the Dems are even backing away from, I have heard the last couple days from some high ranking Dems that they hope it does get struck down by the Supreme court that it will help them in the upcoming elections!! come on, for 2 years they have been saying this law is perfect and is the anwser to all of our problems, now they are hoping it fails?

    It amazes me today that people still choose sides with the idiots in Washington, they both dont give a crap about anything other than advancing political careers and love it when people like you Dave, play partisian politics over common sense

    gpracer73

  • dave1954 said...

    Let's see. The government forces us to pay taxes. The government forces us to buy insurance if we drive a car. The government forces us to buy a driver's licence if we want to drive. Funny, the government has been doing this for a long, long time.

    Where do the Feds force people to buy a car? where do the Feds force a person with a car to buy insurance? where do the Feds force people to buy a drivers license?

    gpracer73

  • dave1954 said...

    Let's see. The government forces us to pay taxes. The government forces us to buy insurance if we drive a car. The government forces us to buy a driver's licence if we want to drive. Funny, the government has been doing this for a long, long time.

    Yes, and all of these items are set by each state with the exception of federal taxes.

    nwbucknut

  • dave1954 said...

    Let's see. The government forces us to pay taxes. The government forces us to buy insurance if we drive a car. The government forces us to buy a driver's licence if we want to drive. Funny, the government has been doing this for a long, long time.

    Not even a high school freshman would receive passing grades with these points--they are simply non sequiturs. Where did you go to school?

    1buckfaninmich