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Journalistic Integrity

  • dave1954 said...

    I don't know why you are so surprised. Schultz has always been a big supported of the Unions and he says so. He also is a Liberal which he says so. On the other hjand you favorite network calls themselves "fair and balanced". There is the biggest lie.

    Fox News absolutely CRUSHES all competitors COMBINED so people are watching. I know it is the Liberal mantra/talking points to make accusations against Fox, but the public is voting by tuning in. Plus, every time a study is done about which news organization is most trusted, Fox wins. Every time a poll is done about which news organization is most fair and balanced, Fox wins. Just because YOU think Fox sucks doesn't make it so. Just because Liberals hate having their talking points challenged by Fox does not mean Fox is a right wing organization. Liberals are so used to just putting out talking points and no one challenged them until Fox came along. Now Liberals throw a hissy fit and whine. Tough.

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  • Buckeye Warrior said...

    Fox News absolutely CRUSHES all competitors COMBINED so people are watching. I know it is the Liberal mantra/talking points to make accusations against Fox, but the public is voting by tuning in. Plus, every time a study is done about which news organization is most trusted, Fox wins. Every time a poll is done about which news organization is most fair and balanced, Fox wins. Just because YOU think Fox sucks doesn't make it so. Just because Liberals hate having their talking points challenged by Fox does not mean Fox is a right wing organization. Liberals are so used to just putting out talking points and no one challenged them until Fox came along. Now Liberals throw a hissy fit and whine. Tough.

    Polls also indicate Fox News watchers are the most ill-informed. Popular doesn't equal correct. Many people are lazy and only want to be told what they want to hear. It's interesting that you accuse liberals of throwing a hissy fit during your hissy fit but it isn't our fault that lots of people are stupid and like Fox News. We didn't make them that way and they have ample chance to change. It's called learning.

    dabaker1983

  • dabaker1983 said...

    Polls also indicate Fox News watchers are the most ill-informed. Popular doesn't equal correct. Many people are lazy and only want to be told what they want to hear. It's interesting that you accuse liberals of throwing a hissy fit during your hissy fit but it isn't our fault that lots of people are stupid and like Fox News. We didn't make them that way and they have ample chance to change. It's called learning.

    It is only Liberals who claim that Fox is biased.

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  • What do you mean imagine if??? They are on the payroll of the worlds most richest conservative right winger...Rupert Murdoch! It is one thing for an organization to have influence on a channel, I agree, Ed shouldn't take the money because it does raise eyebrows. Even though I agree with Ed and his stance on unions...I mean people, the only reason you have a "workweek" or vacation or benefits is because of UNIONS! Are they perfect, NO, but they have their place, Yes! And to support a party that wants to destroy that means that they are destroying one of the only remaining middle-class levers of power, the Unions!

    So yes, Ed does look a bit shady, but thats completely different than an entire news network being developed and put in place with the only purpose of providing and promoting the conservative point of view. Even thought everyone has a right to their own opinion, we dont have a right to make up our own facts...Thats NOT news, thats opinion journalism. Thats why FOX was created.....its NOT NEWS. It is the editorial page for 24 hrs a day. I would like to see both it and MSNBC ended. Because even though I am a progressive democrat, I think it hurts the country when an outlet calls itself news when it is not. That includes MSNBC. News should be just that...news...just the facts only. No opinions! Walter Cronkite was asked recently what was his biggest regret...he said..."my generation of newsman not passing on our vision of journalistic integrity". We have Americans who literally hate one another right now because of the all the stuff they hear on channels that bill themselves as news, when they are NOT! All these channels do is incite anger and frustration by people that watch them.

    We are missing the real point people! Both of these channels are run by corporations who have perspectives. We need to realize that none of these entities have our best interests in mind. The real people who threaten us are not fellow republicans, conservatives, liberals or democrats...I think we all mean well, in general. It is these companies, the extreme wealthy, and corporate elite who want to build a world where they have all the advantages, power, control, and levers of power and we have to basically meet their needs in order to survive. The other issue is a government that takes money from these powers and does their bidding instead of ours. We preoccupy ourselves by hating each other, but its not each other that are the problem. Its scary, but we are no longer represented by anyone in reality!

    goby

  • Buckeye Warrior said...

    It is only Liberals who claim that Fox is biased.

    You say liberals, I say smart, rational people. To each his own, I suppose.

    dabaker1983

  • dabaker1983 said...

    You say liberals, I say smart, rational people. To each his own, I suppose.

    Since when are Liberals "smart and rational"? The "Occupy" people sure must have done you proud. The nation laugh at and mocked them.

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  • My apologies... I must have accidently logged into a politcal forum. I thought this site was to discuss Ohio State athletics shrug

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  • minsterbuckeye said...

    congrats to u for graduating from grade school, study hard u probably will have trouble with elementary school, but keep trying......

    I believe grade school is elementary school.... just saying.

    I honestly feel sorry for anyone that accepts the bias they hear on either MSNBC or FOXNEWS, they both have agendas and just give their side of the story...duh... neither are news... they are either one as much news as "reality tv" is reality.

    The truth is always somewhere in the middle.

    Tim Tackett

  • Buckeye Warrior said...

    Since when are Liberals "smart and rational"? The "Occupy" people sure must have done you proud. The nation laugh at and mocked them.

    The Occupy movement is like a weaker Tea Party movement. Weaker because Liberals are inherently more pragmatic than Conservatives and are less likely to follow the herd mentality. Any moron can see something like "Business bad" or "Government bad" and jump on board. A better person looks at those statements, or movements in this case, and scoffs at the fact that they are not true.

    dabaker1983

  • BucksinWA said...

    See, being independent, I evaluate facts.

    Ed Schultz being paid thousands of dollars by unions is hardly the same conflict of interest as Dick Cheney lining the pockets of Halliburton with billions of dollars, sacrificing young American men and women in the process. So forgive me if I don't have the same anger over whether Ed Schultz might editorialize in favor of unions when he is paid by them as I do toward the right's War on Science, War on Reason and War on Women.

    You need to reevaluate your facts. Halliburton actually was harmed by the Iraq War. Their profitability declined during the height of the war due to their involvement in less profitable war-related activites. In addition, the "no-bid" contracts that people who lack knowledge love to rail about nearly put Halliburton into insolvency. The nature of those contracts was that the government could withhold payment until the final cost was agreed upon, and United States was in debt to Haliburton for so much money because of these delayed payments that Halliburton ran out of cash. Halliburton was effectively financing a large part of the war effort out of their own pocket.

    So please, don't mention Halliburton when trying to make any points against Cheney or the Bush Administration's war decisions - it simply is not true and shows a lack of knowledge on the subject.

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    At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.

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  • dabaker1983 said...

    The Occupy movement is like a weaker Tea Party movement. Weaker because Liberals are inherently more pragmatic than Conservatives and are less likely to follow the herd mentality. Any moron can see something like "Business bad" or "Government bad" and jump on board. A better person looks at those statements, or movements in this case, and scoffs at the fact that they are not true.

    First, the Occupy movement was nothing like the Tea Party. Most people in the Tea party were honest, hard working Americans that were educated and loved America. The Liberals in the Occupy movement were lazy people who liked nothing about America and wanted to have the government run everything.

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  • It also looks like NBC News got caught AGAIN editing tapes (Hello Keith Olbermann!): http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/02/nbc-news-trayvon-martin-internal-investigation_n_1396442.html

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  • dave1954 said...

    No, it's worse. Cheney and his company made billions off the wars and thousands died. Big difference.

    Absolutely... and much, much worse.....

    GO PACK GO!!!!! Go Brew Crew!!!!

    Seattlebuckfan

  • grccoins said...

    You need to reevaluate your facts. Halliburton actually was harmed by the Iraq War. Their profitability declined during the height of the war due to their involvement in less profitable war-related activites. In addition, the "no-bid" contracts that people who lack knowledge love to rail about nearly put Halliburton into insolvency. The nature of those contracts was that the government could withhold payment until the final cost was agreed upon, and United States was in debt to Haliburton for so much money because of these delayed payments that Halliburton ran out of cash. Halliburton was effectively financing a large part of the war effort out of their own pocket.

    So please, don't mention Halliburton when trying to make any points against Cheney or the Bush Administration's war decisions - it simply is not true and shows a lack of knowledge on the subject.

    Any financial difficulties Halliburton has had was not the intent or the fault of Dick Cheney or the Bush Administration, which is the whole point. Dick Cheney was the CEO of Halliburton until he quit to run for VP. He got something like 36 million at the time. He received hundreds of thousands of dollars in deferred compensation while he was VP. Halliburton was awarded a multi-billion dollar no-bid contract.

    Dick Cheney and the Bush Administration tried to help Halliburton all it could. However the company was run or whatever profits they made were not under the direct control of Bush and Cheney. They did their part. If you can't acknowledge that this conflict of interest could have been a more serious issue than Ed Schultz taking a few thousand dollars from unions and doing a talk show, there's no point in discussing it further, because this is the typical conservative tactic- never admit anything, never concede a point. It doesn't make conservatives anything but hard to take seriously. I have issues with plenty of what Obama has done, but I don't think I've ever heard a conservative say GWB was ever wrong about anything.

    BucksinWA

  • Buckeye Warrior said...

    First, the Occupy movement was nothing like the Tea Party. Most people in the Tea party were honest, hard working Americans that were educated and loved America. The Liberals in the Occupy movement were lazy people who liked nothing about America and wanted to have the government run everything.

    I don't know that I agree with your assessment of either movement, but there is no doubt that the Occupy movement has not had anything close to the political impact of the Tea Party.

    Of course, the Tea Party is what brought us such brilliant expressions as "Keep your government hands off my Medicare." As a great American once said, stupid is as stupid does.

    BucksinWA

  • Buckeye Warrior said...

    Fox News absolutely CRUSHES all competitors COMBINED so people are watching. I know it is the Liberal mantra/talking points to make accusations against Fox, but the public is voting by tuning in. Plus, every time a study is done about which news organization is most trusted, Fox wins. Every time a poll is done about which news organization is most fair and balanced, Fox wins. Just because YOU think Fox sucks doesn't make it so. Just because Liberals hate having their talking points challenged by Fox does not mean Fox is a right wing organization. Liberals are so used to just putting out talking points and no one challenged them until Fox came along. Now Liberals throw a hissy fit and whine. Tough.

    Fox sucks for the same reason the moon orbits the earth. It just does. Millions of morons watching doesn't make it journalism. I would expect Fox to be the most trusted- Fox News viewers are challenged, not challengers. Not questioning the veracity of anything you hear might make you trust it more, but doesn't make any of it true. People are capable of believing all sorts of nonsense (i.e. Obama is a Muslim, GWB is smart, the bible, etc.).

    BucksinWA

  • Amazing how the left on this board brought in Dick Cheney on this topic and piled on.

    AtlantaBuck

  • dabaker1983 said...

    Polls also indicate Fox News watchers are the most ill-informed. Popular doesn't equal correct. Many people are lazy and only want to be told what they want to hear. It's interesting that you accuse liberals of throwing a hissy fit during your hissy fit but it isn't our fault that lots of people are stupid and like Fox News. We didn't make them that way and they have ample chance to change. It's called learning.

    have never seen that poll...........

    minsterbuckeye

  • I love how the Liberals in this thread are off the chain about Fox news. They are all saying and repeating the same things like some kind of left wing "zombie speak". Problem is, none of them even watch Fox News.

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  • dabaker1983 said...

    You say liberals, I say smart, rational people. To each his own, I suppose.

    Seriously, your dreamy little idea of what a liberal should be is so far away from the reality of what they truly are. Libs are like an outcast on the playground. One day, that outcast gives himself a nickname (in a libs case, progressive) then proclaims to everyone that they are smarter than everyone else, yet fails every test taken, blaming it on things like bias, discrimination, racism, etc. But that little outcast never stops beating his little drum, even in the face of reality, no matter how much he defies logic and reason.

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  • I never watch Fox News or MSNBC. They are not legitimate sources of news. They spread hate and propaganda and that is about it. The problem with our country is there are a lot of people in this country that watch only one or the other and think everything they say is the truth.

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  • If you believe Fox and all its paid republican talking head are any different you are crazy. To me it is worse when a news organization as a state goal is to be partisan and is paid for fully by major political party. Why has every republican presidential candidate been, still or is a paid contributor to Fox.Where are former Democratic candidates if its fair and balanced. It is a propaganda machine never seen before. This is not news and should never be confused as such. News has one truth, not a slant to fit your agenda. Worse yet facts that are truly made up. When has fox ever reported anything positive about our President. Hasn't happened and never will. You have a better chance a sharing the lottery with that woman from Maryland. And you call Fox a new source! PLEASE!!!!

    fstargell

  • dabaker1983 said...

    You say liberals, I say smart, rational people. To each his own, I suppose.

    More elitist liberal poppycock.

    pazbuc

  • BucksinWA said...

    Any financial difficulties Halliburton has had was not the intent or the fault of Dick Cheney or the Bush Administration, which is the whole point. Dick Cheney was the CEO of Halliburton until he quit to run for VP. He got something like 36 million at the time. He received hundreds of thousands of dollars in deferred compensation while he was VP. Halliburton was awarded a multi-billion dollar no-bid contract.

    Dick Cheney and the Bush Administration tried to help Halliburton all it could. However the company was run or whatever profits they made were not under the direct control of Bush and Cheney. They did their part. If you can't acknowledge that this conflict of interest could have been a more serious issue than Ed Schultz taking a few thousand dollars from unions and doing a talk show, there's no point in discussing it further, because this is the typical conservative tactic- never admit anything, never concede a point. It doesn't make conservatives anything but hard to take seriously. I have issues with plenty of what Obama has done, but I don't think I've ever heard a conservative say GWB was ever wrong about anything.

    Show me proof how Cheney and the Bush administration "tried to help" Halliburton. It is all rumor and feelings about the subject, not fact. The company performed weaker during the war because war related activities are not as profitable as it's other businesses.

    You also don't understand the nature of no-bid contracts. First, Halliburton was the only company that could fulfill the needs of the contracts offered by the government, so the government had no choice. Secondly, no-bid doesn't mean you can charge whatever you want. No-bid means we need your ass in there now and we'll decide on payment later. The provider invoices the government afterwards, but the government has to agree that the charge is reasonable. If not, they withhold payment until the amount is agreed upon. This means the provider has to charge reasonable amounts otherwise they won't get paid. If Cheney and Bush were simply signing off on the Halliburton no-bid contracts (your avowed "tried to help all they could") then these payments would never have been withheld, and they would have been higher enough to maintain Halliburton's profitability. That didn't happen. Your whole premise is based on hate and not on facts that indicate the opposite. Stop trying to dance away from it.

    As far not hearing conservatives saying that GWB did anything wrong - well, you just refuse to listen. Conservatives led the charge when Bush was in office saying he was overspending too much. That's why Liberals look like idiots when they defend Obama's extreme overspending. They say Conservatives never complained about Bush when Conservatives did, and that's why Conservatives are even more upset with Obama's Bush-busting deficits. The hypocrisy is that Liberals whined about Bush's deficits but when Obama runs about 4times as much in the red they don't seem to think it is too bad. Intellectual dishonesty on vivid display.

    And just for the record, other things other than deficits that Conservatives complained about in regards to Bush while he was in office: The Farm Bill, the Education Bill, steel tariffs, not allowing pilots to carry guns in cockpits, the prescription drug program, signing McCain/Feingold.....need I go on?

    You may think you are an independent, but you don't evaluate facts. Your statements are full of partisan falsehoods.

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    At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.

    grccoins

  • pazbuc said...

    More elitist liberal poppycock.

    They are just intellectual bigots and intellectually dishonest. By claiming they are smart and not having to prove it, they can hide in their sandcastles, pat each other on the head and feel secure.

    And not to mention how tolerant they are of other's attitudes. Tolerance to them means "you should be tolerant of me, but I don't need to be tolerant of you."

    It's becoming sickening. If they saw themselves for what they really were they would all charge off the cliff like lemmings. They are currently charging over the figurative cliff and dragging our country after them with their current behavior.

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    At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.

    grccoins