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excabuckeye said...
Valid point, especially as it relates to the history of pork-barrel spending by both parties in this country. That said, I'd welcome a President who truly is looking out for the best interests of the country versus pandering to special interests. Related to your point is one of the most thought-provoking ideas I heard several years ago - Presidents should be limited to one six-year term. Why one term? We all know it takes a while to bring about change and make any real positive impact on the country, and six years is a long enough time to get some real things done. Also, from the minute a new President is sworn in you could argue that everything done from that point forward is tainted by the desire to get re-elected. Factor in the long election cycles and media scrutiny we now have, and the real question is how does anything get done that is for the good of the country when it's all about re-election? President's spend their first term trying to get re-elected, and if re-elected much of their second term is as a lame duck. Solution - one six-year term.
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playmea said...
This is why there should be a cap on federal spending.
The problem is, the people who are the reason we need this cap are the very people we need to pass it.
We can't entirely hold the president responsible. The POTUS doesn't pass laws. The POTUS only has veto power and the POTUS can propose a bill. But ultimately the house and senate approve. So I don't blame the POTUS for ALL the reckless spending. Just the reckless spending that he is responsible for. Coincidentally, thats still a huge number.
But we can't remove the incentive from legislators to garner funding for their state. That would disenfranchise the citizens of that state. We want to encourage this. But we have to set spending limits that cannot be exceeded and there have to be measures for making sure those spending limits aren't exceeded. Thats the real problem. Any other talk or claim and we are just spinning our wheels.
Furthermore, it seems only those in congress oppose the notion of term limits. Because it appears all Americans, Republican or Democrat or Libertarian or Independent, all agree almost unanimously on term limits. Essentially, a politician's motivation should not be getting re-elected. However, without the prospect of career politicians, it will be even more difficult to recruit the best and brightest to run our country. Something that we are failing at as it is, even with the corrupt government we have today. My Father-in-law just retired as a major executive from one of America's top companies. We asked him why he never had political ambitions. His answer "I can have a better life in the private economy". That would ring even more true with term limits. Where essentially people would simply have to take a leave of absence from their careers for public service.
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BucksinWA said...
While probably butchering Plato in the Republic, I seem to recall a framework for public service. To apply it today might go something like this: all those who enter public service should be prepared to do so through training and life experiences. If you want to be a public servant, you probably shouldn't be. The best and brightest from the private sector should basically be conscripted to serve.
What we have now are "public servants" who really just want to live off the federal government without really accomplishing anything or, in many cases, making an honest effort to improve life for their fellow Americans. Rather than picking only from those who seek the power or who want to spend their lives being paid by the government, we should be compelling those CEO's, scientists and intellectuals to serve their country for the greater good.
I know it won't happen, but it's an interesting concept.
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BucksinWA said...
While probably butchering Plato in the Republic, I seem to recall a framework for public service. To apply it today might go something like this: all those who enter public service should be prepared to do so through training and life experiences. If you want to be a public servant, you probably shouldn't be. The best and brightest from the private sector should basically be conscripted to serve.
What we have now are "public servants" who really just want to live off the federal government without really accomplishing anything or, in many cases, making an honest effort to improve life for their fellow Americans. Rather than picking only from those who seek the power or who want to spend their lives being paid by the government, we should be compelling those CEO's, scientists and intellectuals to serve their country for the greater good.
I know it won't happen, but it's an interesting concept.
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BucksinWA said...
While probably butchering Plato in the Republic, I seem to recall a framework for public service. To apply it today might go something like this: all those who enter public service should be prepared to do so through training and life experiences. If you want to be a public servant, you probably shouldn't be. The best and brightest from the private sector should basically be conscripted to serve.
What we have now are "public servants" who really just want to live off the federal government without really accomplishing anything or, in many cases, making an honest effort to improve life for their fellow Americans. Rather than picking only from those who seek the power or who want to spend their lives being paid by the government, we should be compelling those CEO's, scientists and intellectuals to serve their country for the greater good.
I know it won't happen, but it's an interesting concept.
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shaunsimpson said...
And in the US we kill people for success. Romney is getting killed for being a successful business man and Obama was elected after being a community organizer and a academic. Politicians being politicians is indeed a problem. You have to know how to play the game to win and those who may be the best at the jobs are not willing to put up with that.
And I am not criticizing Obama there, but for him to understand the Heath Care Programs of this company coming from a constructional law background and community service background is almost as humorous as all of the people who bitch about it understanding it. Things like this have so many variables per state that it is impossible. Although, I do find it humorous that a constitutional law professor at a top 5 law school in the country develops a health plan that is unconstitutional.
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playmea said...
To piggyback on what (I believe) shaunsimpson is saying, Americans and professional politicians are quite gifted at marginalizing the political aptitude of our best and brightest. They have successfully created an atmosphere that perpetuates career politicians and demonizing private experience. The irony is that these are the very same individuals who complain about career politicians.
Forcing poeple into public service isn't exactly freedom though is it? We can't compromize what makes us great simply so we can force people with the most aptitude to lead us against their will.
Instead, we should devise better and smarter methods of incentivizing.
Thomas Jefferson HATED HATED HATED being a politician. And was constantly trying to avoid it. He used much of his own wealth to pay for a great deal of things. And he gained very little from public life. The only reason he did it was because he cared so much. Today, we simply can't do that. There are no people like that. And the few that try to be, we discredit them.
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dustyrhodes said...
Democracy is not ideal however it is better than any alternative - look at the world economies from Greece to N. Korea all are much worse than our form of government. Term limits would help curb some of the policies that have been passed and are weighing down our economy.
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chunkfat8 said...
You guys can argue all you want with this comment, but when the Founding Fathers were making the constitution, they discussed how they believed this type of constitution would work for around 200 years. Well 231 years after the constitution has been made, where are we?
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Maybe our form of government is the problem