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New Zimmerman Evidence

  • Now what does everyone think?

    http://gma.yahoo.com/warning-graphic-photo-possible-evidence-shows-george-zimmermans-050145810--abc-news-topstories.html

    pazbuc

  • The system just has to do its thing . The Media really messes things up when they get their dirty hands on stuff like this. That picture makes you wonder what really happened that night ?

    NUTTYBAR

  • Going to hard to get a conviction with that picture in evidence.

    pazbuc

  • I think that if Zimmerman isn't convicted then you will see another Rodney King type of uprising from the black community

    mclen

  • I think that if Zimmerman isn't convicted then you will see another Rodney King type of uprising from the black community.

    That's the wrong reason to riot .. Laws are laws you just don't make em up as you go along .

    NUTTYBAR

  • pazbuc said...

    Going to hard to get a conviction with that picture in evidence.

    I can put evidence on the back of my head just like that by laying down and hitting my head on the sidewalk. Not only that, but the back of my jacket would have dirt on it. In the absence of a witness a reasonable doubt can be cast by presenting just those possibilities.
    Where's the photo of his broken nose? I have never seen someone with a broken nose not have a black eye, or two black eyes. When Zimmerman passes a lie-detector test I will give a little ground on his injuries. If I was innocent and telling the truth I would ask for a lie-detector test. They couldn't shut me up from telling my side of the story. If I was guilty I would cower behind a lawyer.... that's my test for guilt or innocence - firm unwavering account from the start or defensive story-changing throughout. What do you think when a lawyer starts proposing several different scenarios? What's wrong with the real story if it's true?

    McCague

  • Is he Urban's latest recruit? Or related to OSU... Why should I care?? Find a blog or something. You and all the Obama posters, I come here to get away from that stuff.

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  • mclen said...

    I think that if Zimmerman isn't convicted then you will see another Rodney King type of uprising from the black community

    This may be true. But that does not mean you convict someone for that reason alone. You convict someone for being guilty and it would appear that what we know at this time seems to support Zimmerman's side of the story. Unfortunately, we will never know from Travon's perspective.

    This truly is a sad situation.

    TaylorBuck

  • McCague said...

    I can put evidence on the back of my head just like that by laying down and hitting my head on the sidewalk. Not only that, but the back of my jacket would have dirt on it. In the absence of a witness a reasonable doubt can be cast by presenting just those possibilities. Where's the photo of his broken nose? I have never seen someone with a broken nose not have a black eye, or two black eyes. When Zimmerman passes a lie-detector test I will give a little ground on his injuries. If I was innocent and telling the truth I would ask for a lie-detector test. They couldn't shut me up from telling my side of the story. If I was guilty I would cower behind a lawyer.... that's my test for guilt or innocence - firm unwavering account from the start or defensive story-changing throughout. What do you think when a lawyer starts proposing several different scenarios? What's wrong with the real story if it's true?

    The reality is getting a lawyer has nothing to do with guilt or innocence, it has to do with being smart. The truth is that nobody has enough evidence to determine one way or the other how this all went down. Everyone has there own version of what went down. Your argument that Zimmerman might not have been attacked in the manner he has presented, while possible, is irrelevant to a criminal proceeding since the burden of proof is not on the defense. Given that the prosecution has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt the facts of the case I see no way a conviction can be made, and certainly not murder in the second degree.

    dmc99

  • It only takes one to believe Zimmerman's version and that photo might be enough for at least one juror. You don't convict someone because there "might" be another Rodney King type riot if you don't.

    pazbuc

  • pazbuc said...

    Now what does everyone think?

    http://gma.yahoo.com/warning-graphic-photo-possible-evidence-shows-george-zimmermans-050145810--abc-news-topstories.html

    Not commenting on anything else but the nature of the injury itself, this is a very minor injury. Very minor. Even a small cut on the scalp bleeds a lot. I bet if you cleaned the blood off those are about a half inch and one inch long. I've had bigger paper cuts.

    As far as how he got them, I think his foot slipped on all the shells and he fell and hit his head.

    BucksinWA

  • I think the biggest problem is that the Prosecutor may have over charged Zimmerman.

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  • BucksinWA said...

    Not commenting on anything else but the nature of the injury itself, this is a very minor injury. Very minor. Even a small cut on the scalp bleeds a lot. I bet if you cleaned the blood off those are about a half inch and one inch long. I've had bigger paper cuts.

    As far as how he got them, I think his foot slipped on all the shells and he fell and hit his head.

    Agreed it is minor. However, with the way the Law is in Florida, the person being attacked has to believe that their life is in danger. Zimmerman is going to argue that.

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  • Buckeye Warrior said...

    I think the biggest problem is that the Prosecutor may have over charged Zimmerman.

    My understanding is that by charging him with 2nd degree murder it also allows the jury to decide on manslaughter as a verdict.

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    TimMcM

  • McCague said...

    I can put evidence on the back of my head just like that by laying down and hitting my head on the sidewalk. Not only that, but the back of my jacket would have dirt on it. In the absence of a witness a reasonable doubt can be cast by presenting just those possibilities. Where's the photo of his broken nose? I have never seen someone with a broken nose not have a black eye, or two black eyes. When Zimmerman passes a lie-detector test I will give a little ground on his injuries. If I was innocent and telling the truth I would ask for a lie-detector test. They couldn't shut me up from telling my side of the story. If I was guilty I would cower behind a lawyer.... that's my test for guilt or innocence - firm unwavering account from the start or defensive story-changing throughout. What do you think when a lawyer starts proposing several different scenarios? What's wrong with the real story if it's true?

    You can play the what if games all day.....

    I've had my nose broken 7-10 times and after its broken once or twice its extremely easy to break and that be the only injury.

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  • pazbuc said...

    Now what does everyone think?

    http://gma.yahoo.com/warning-graphic-photo-possible-evidence-shows-george-zimmermans-050145810--abc-news-topstories.html

    Since there is proof that it was taken 3 minutes after the shot was heard on the 911 call, it seems it must be authentic yet those "cuts" do not seem to be consistent with the kind of damage that would be done by having your head repeatedly hit on the sidewalk. I have seen the results of such a head banging on concrete in more then one fight and never saw the kind of cuts he has. There was always really swollen bumps from which the blood almost erupted from the top of the bump. Plus the head really bleeds a lot more than shown if it is hit with any force against something as hard as concrete.

    Given that the authorities had this picture and still charged him with 2nd degree murder would suggest they have some evidence that counters him being beat up before he shot the kid.

    Here is what a state investigator testified to:

    Dale Gilbreath, an investigator for the state attorney’s office, testified that he does not know whether Martin or Zimmerman threw the first punch and that there is no evidence to disprove Zimmerman’s contention that he was walking back to his vehicle when confronted by Martin.

    Mr Gilbreath also said evidence does not back up parts of Zimmerman’s story, such as his claim that Martin was slamming his head against a sidewalk just before he pulled out his handgun and shot the teenager.

    ‘That is not consistent with the evidence we found,’ said Gilbreath, who did not provide details.
    http://scallywagandvagabond.com/2012/04/george-zimmerman-trial-is-this-the-photo-that-will-set-him-free/

    This post was edited by TimMcM on 4/21/2012 at 3:18 AM

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  • TimMcM said...

    My understanding is that by charging him with 2nd degree murder it also allows the jury to decide on manslaughter as a verdict.

    Interesting concept. Charge the suspect with the strongest charge possible and if that doesn't work, go with something less just to get a conviction. What a great country!

    Kind of like throwing a pile of crap against the wall and seeing what sticks.

    Not an attack on you Tim. Just the idea of random law in action.

    BUCKSRUS

  • BUCKSRUS said...

    Interesting concept. Charge the suspect with the strongest charge possible and if that doesn't work, go with something less just to get a conviction. What a great country!

    Kind of like throwing a pile of crap against the wall and seeing what sticks.

    Not an attack on you Tim. Just the idea of random law in action.

    I think Tim is right. It is also a huge gamble on the Prosecutors part. What if the Jury decided that he isn't guilty of 2nd Degree Murder and just let's him walk?

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  • I heard some people on tv news programs talking about this. If the evidence is strong enough to charge Zimmerman with murder then go with that. If the evidence is only enough for manslaughter, then that would be the proper charge.

    Florida law probably does allow for a "backup" conviction if the original doesn't work out. It smacks of charging a person twice for the same offense.

    If the jury doesn't convict him based on the evidence and testimony, why wouldn't he get to walk? He would have been found not guilty, right?

    BUCKSRUS

  • BUCKSRUS said...

    I heard some people on tv news programs talking about this. If the evidence is strong enough to charge Zimmerman with murder then go with that. If the evidence is only enough for manslaughter, then that would be the proper charge.

    Florida law probably does allow for a "backup" conviction if the original doesn't work out. It smacks of charging a person twice for the same offense.

    If the jury doesn't convict him based on the evidence and testimony, why wouldn't he get to walk? He would have been found not guilty, right?

    Perhaps I worded it wrong. The Jury could say Not Guilty to 2nd Degree Murder and could convict him on lesser charges. Or, they could see it the way you do that he is being charged for the same offense twice and just elect to find him Not Guilty on everything and just let him walk.

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  • pazbuc said...

    Now what does everyone think?

    http://gma.yahoo.com/warning-graphic-photo-possible-evidence-shows-george-zimmermans-050145810--abc-news-topstories.html

    If he was that injured why didn't he go to the hospital?

    dave1954

  • If he was that injured why didn't he go to the hospital?

    dave1954

  • Just when I thought I have heard it all, Tim is an authority on head banging on sidewalk injuries too. Simply amazing how much this guy knows. CSI Tim

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  • mclen said...

    I think that if Zimmerman isn't convicted then you will see another Rodney King type of uprising from the black community

    I doubt it. What happened in L A had been brewing for years and was bound to happen.

    The smoking gun in the case is going to be Martin's girlfriend, who he was talking to during the whole ordeal.

    deez nuts

  • deez nuts said...

    I doubt it. What happened in L A had been brewing for years and was bound to happen.

    The smoking gun in the case is going to be Martin's girlfriend, who he was talking to during the whole ordeal.

    You must not have been to Sanford before. The tension between the black community and police is well documented. It's not that far fetched that a not guilty verdict could have similar consequences as that of LA in '92 (not in scale but in actions of those who feel the system failed them). IMO it won't get that bad due to Sanford being a small town, but you could see some kind of retaliation taking place due to the strained relations between the police and the minority community.

    With that said, I still feel Zimmerman has an uphill road to climb. He's claiming "Self Defense/ Stand your ground". What we do know is that he pursued Martin (after the 911 dispatcher told him not to). Thus, initiating the entire altercation. The prosecution won't have a hard time proving that. Whether Zimmerman fled back to his car after the fact and Martin then initiated the altercation (becoming the aggressor) is speculation at best. Theres no audio or visual proof of this. There is proof, however, of Zimmerman pursuing Martin - even after neglecting the orders from the dispatcher. The defense will have to prove that not only he killed Martin in self defense but that he did in fact retreat and Martin then became the aggressor. Not an easy task with the damning audio evidence on file - not to mention Martin's girlfriend.

    In short, what does it matter if Zimmerman's head it busted up and he has a broke nose? Had he followed the orders of the dispatcher to not pursue Martin, we wouldn't be here talking about this. He was the aggressor, period. Is it possible Martin could've changed up and became the aggressor, chasing Zimmerman to engage in a confrontation? Possible but not probable.

    Talking to an attorney friend, he made a good analogy. It's kind of like a guy chasing another guy (that is unarmed and in his own neighborhood), then confronts that guy and is threatening him, only to get into an altercation with him. After a tussle ensues, the man who initiated the tussle finds himself in a sticky situation and feels now that his life is in danger. Panicking and scared (due to the other man now aggravated and angry and taking it out on his nose and head), he kills the other man claiming "self defense". How can you start a fight and claim self defense??? It's a funny thought but that's how some see this situation. Im sure if it were this simple the case would be open and shut. Unfortunately, it's a little more murky than this.

    The entire country is watching this case and we can only hope the all the evidence is heard and justice is served. Cases like this have far reaching affects other than the town/city/community they take place in. You can thank the media for that.

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