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  • And anyone who thinks just "taxing the rich" will solve this catastrophic problem and runaway freight train has no clue in matters of finance or even basic common sense... We have a spending problem first in this country that must be addressed and the longer we delay the more painful the inevitable restitution will be. Obamacare will likely be the straw which breaks the camel's back if it is not repealed or at the very least crippled...

    Real federal deficit dwarfs official tally
    By Dennis Cauchon, USA TODAY

    The typical American household would have paid nearly all of its income in taxes last year to balance the budget if the government used standard accounting rules to compute the deficit, a USA TODAY analysis finds.

    Under those accounting practices, the government ran red ink last year equal to $42,054 per household — nearly four times the official number reported under unique rules set by Congress.
    A U.S. household's median income is $49,445, the Census reports.
    The big difference between the official deficit and standard accounting: Congress exempts itself from including the cost of promised retirement benefits. Yet companies, states and local governments must include retirement commitments in financial statements, as required by federal law and private boards that set accounting rules.
    The deficit was $5 trillion last year under those rules. The official number was $1.3 trillion. Liabilities for Social Security, Medicare and other retirement programs rose by $3.7 trillion in 2011, according to government actuaries, but the amount was not registered on the government's books.

    Deficits are a major issue in this year's presidential campaign, but USA TODAY has calculated federal finances under accounting rules since 2004 and found no correlation between fluctuations in the deficit and which party ran Congress or the White House.
    Key findings:
    •Social Security had the biggest financial slide. The government would need $22.2 trillion today, set aside and earning interest, to cover benefits promised to current workers and retirees beyond what taxes will cover. That's $9.5 trillion more than was needed in 2004.
    •Deficits from 2004 to 2011 would be six times the official total of $5.6 trillion reported.
    •Federal debt and retiree commitments equal $561,254 per household. By contrast, an average household owes a combined $116,057 for mortgages, car loans and other debts.
    "By law, the federal government can't tell the truth," says accountant Sheila Weinberg of the Chicago-based Institute for Truth in Accounting.
    Jim Horney, a former Senate budget staff expert now at the liberal Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, says retirement programs should not count as part of the deficit because, unlike a business, Congress can change what it owes by cutting benefits or lifting taxes.
    "It's not easy, but it can be done. Retirement programs are not legal obligations," he says.

    sryan2

  • I think the Tea Party movement isn't as extreme as some would like to paint them. Dem or Rep, I'm voting for the candidate I feel is the most fiscally responsible. It appears the Repub's are attempting to reign in spending...history shows they haven't been any better than the Dem's. I wish both would start discussing cuts rather than the Robin Hood bs taxation that is 100% meant to appease a voting base rather than address deficits.

    jcfiesta

  • Sryan,

    Your posted article highlights the fact that there is absolutely no magic fix for this issue. Simply raising taxes will NOT fix the problem. However, I hope your realize, that the Conservative tagline of cutting spending will NOT fix the issue either. ESPECIALLY, if massive spending cuts are implemented at the same time as tax cuts.

    I've said it before, and I'll say it again, if the U.S. Government manages to produce a $500-billion surplus, every year, it would STILL take more than 30-years to pay-off the National Debt. Republican candidates do NOT have a solution to this issue.

    Your article makes the assertion that retirement plans are not legally binding, but if you deny employees whose retirement planning includes the retirement fund that both they and the Government have been paying into for decades, then you face a serious ethical issue with dramatic economic consequences, depite the fact that eliminating/reducing said retirement systems makes fiscal sense.

    If you take away or reduce the retirement that employees expect, then you essentially force workers to stay in the workforce when they would otherwise retire, which reduces the job availability of new workers entering the the workforce. So, you essentially increase unemployment numbers, unless the private industry is able to consistently creates enough jobs to employee new additions to the labor market.

    Furthermore, even if employees DO retire, they will be left with less money to make ends meet, and probably be forced to take-on part-time and/or full-time work that would otherwise go to younger members of the workforce, which would put further pressure on unemployment, and under-employment rates. And all of these pressures do not even take into account the reduced ability of workers and citizens to actually drive the economy through consumer purchases.

    The hard truth is that it the economic results promised by Neo-Conservative economic policies do not account for the fact that tax cuts stimulate the economy, but must be paid for. And if you pay for tax cuts with spending cuts, then you're likely shrinking the economy, which will result in even lower tax revenues 2+ years into the future.

    My head is spinning just thinking about all of this. I'm digging into the details and consequences, and the sad truth remains that proposed Conservative policies contributed as much to the National Debt woes today as did Liberal policies. And the negative effects of BOTH of these policy sets were multiplied by the Great Recession. You might consider that conservative economic policies were implemented by Bush in advance of the Great Recession and calculate the results accordingly.

    Now, the primary counters to the suggesting of putting some of the Blame on Bush policies is that he had to fight a war and deal with the .com bubble, well, I propose to you that the Obama administration had to contend with the war on Terror, the housing bubble, AND, the negative momentum of a nasty recession from the day they took office.

    This is not a pass for the Obama administration, as the fact of the matter is that we are in a deep hole and nobody in the political mainstream, especially in a Presidential Election year, has a magic solution for this problem. The solutions presented by either party generally ignore the long term consequences of actions taken to fix the 30-year old problems in the span of 1-4 years.

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  • The only way to begin to fix the problem is to do away with ALL the Bush tax cuts... and that's just a start. Spending cuts will have to be made across the board. Another thing that would help is a massive infrastructure plan and a jobs bill similar to what FDR had. Provide a job for everyone that needs one - build stuff. That would vastly increase revenues through income taxes. This is not the time to curl up into the fetal position by shutting everything down. Nothing = nothing.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by McCague on 5/24/2012 at 3:37 PM

    McCague

  • McCague said...

    The only way to begin to fix the problem is to do away with ALL the Bush tax cuts... and that's just a start. Spending cuts will have to be made across the board. Another thing that would help is a massive infrastructure plan and a jobs bill similar to what FDR had. Provide a job for everyone that needs one - build stuff. That would vastly increase revenues through income taxes. This is not the time to curl up into the fetal position by shutting everything down. Nothing = nothing.

    I'm all for doing away with all the Bush tax cuts. Let EVERYBODY help fix our problem but the problem with that is the CBO just said this week if that were to happen we would fall back into a recession. How about fazing out the Bush tax cuts? Eliminate the rich tax cut for 2013, the middle class tax cut for 2014 and the poor tax cut for 2015?

    pazbuc