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Seattlebuckfan said...

Prosser was the incumbent who had held the office for over 20 years with name recognition... Kloppenberg was way behind just days before the election... it was a special election and the turnout was smaller.... and the county that put him over with such a tiny winning margin has always been and will always be very conservative... it's amazing she did as well as she did with so little money and ads and not being known throughout the state... the fact that that occurred gives me great hope for these recall elections in July... the policemen and FFs had not swung until a few weeks ago.... as time goes on more and more Wisky residents ( as the latest polls show) do not agree with Walker and or his policies.... But I am not making any predictions... not for my crazy state...

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Seattlebuckfan said...

Prosser was the incumbent who had held the office for over 20 years with name recognition... Kloppenberg was way behind just days before the election... it was a special election and the turnout was smaller.... and the county that put him over with such a tiny winning margin has always been and will always be very conservative... it's amazing she did as well as she did with so little money and ads and not being known throughout the state... the fact that that occurred gives me great hope for these recall elections in July... the policemen and FFs had not swung until a few weeks ago.... as time goes on more and more Wisky residents ( as the latest polls show) do not agree with Walker and or his policies.... But I am not making any predictions... not for my crazy state...

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Seattlebuckfan said...

Are you predicting they won't???? They can still win the prize in 2012 by recalling Walker..... :)

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sryan2 said...

Is this as solid as your Supreme Court election results prediction?

What is truly sad is the hypocrisy that you and others display by suggesting public union employees are being unfairly treated but you are perfectly fine allowing taxpayers to be continually abused by the collective bargaining process and their liberal surrogates. The below article says it best (a little dated but still spot on)...

FDR's Ghost Is Smiling on Wisconsin's Governor By Patrick McIlheran

Somewhere, Franklin Delano Roosevelt is grinning past his cigarette holder at Wisconsin's governor. They are on the same page regarding government unions.

Except that Scott Walker -- Republican cheapskate, his visage Hitlerized on signs waved by beet-faced union crowds besieging the Capitol -- is kind of a liberal squish compared to FDR. He's OK with some collective bargaining.

Walker, you might have heard, wants some changes in how Wisconsin deals with unions. He wants state employees to pay 5.8% of their salaries toward their pensions (they pay almost nothing now) and he wants them to cover 12.6% of their health care premiums (their share would go up from $79 a month to about $200; the average private-sector sap pays about $330).

Unions are enraged. They've been calling such increases unspeakable since Walker was elected handily in November. Then, Feb. 10, Walker went further. He'd allow public-sector unions to negotiate only pay, not benefits, mainly because he wants HSA-style health plans and 401(k)-style retirements for state workers, and unions would fight that, tooth and ragged red claw.

So unions erupted. Teachers faked illness in such numbers as to close school districts for days. Mobs beat on the doors of legislative chambers. And in some heavenly Hyde Park, the great liberal god of the 1930s is saying he saw it all along.

Roosevelt's reign certainly was the bright dawn of modern unionism. The legal and administrative paths that led to 35% of the nation's workforce eventually unionizing by a mid-1950s peak were laid by Roosevelt.

But only for the private sector. Roosevelt openly opposed bargaining rights for government unions.

"The process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service," Roosevelt wrote in 1937 to the National Federation of Federal Employees. Yes, public workers may demand fair treatment, wrote Roosevelt. But, he wrote, "I want to emphasize my conviction that militant tactics have no place" in the public sector. "A strike of public employees manifests nothing less than an intent on their part to prevent or obstruct the operations of Government."

And if you're the kind of guy who capitalizes "government," woe betide such obstructionists.

Roosevelt wasn't alone. It was orthodoxy among Democrats through the '50s that unions didn't belong in government work. Things began changing when, in 1959, Wisconsin's then-Gov. Gaylord Nelson signed collective bargaining into law for state workers. Other states followed, and gradually, municipal workers and teachers were unionized, too.

Even as that happened, the future was visible. Frank Zeidler, Milwaukee's mayor in the 1950s and the last card-carrying Socialist to head a major U.S. city, supported labor. But in 1969, the progressive icon wrote that rise of unions in government work put a competing power in charge of public business next to elected officials. Government unions "can mean considerable loss of control over the budget, and hence over tax rates," he warned.

There was "a revolutionary principle rather quietly at work in American government," he wrote.

The principle was working at about 100 decibels in Wisconsin's Capitol last week, once the union drum-beaters got going. What worked them up was the money they'd concede, they said, but even more that Walker would make their unions surrender the control they'd gained over every government budget.

Walker, like other Republicans, was long accused of hating government. For eight years as chief executive of heavily Democrat Milwaukee County, he would not raise taxes, which opponents said showed his contempt for government.

Yet all this past week, he praised public employees and he said the work government does is so necessary, taxpayers should get as much of it for their money as possible. Meanwhile, thousands of schoolteachers on the Capitol lawn manifested their intent to obstruct Government and their belief that the tots back at Roosevelt Elementary could darn well spend a day or three watching Nickelodeon at home.

And, to beat all, the president who now professes to be the new Reagan weighed in to say Walker was being unduly mean to unions. President Obama gave no audible word on whether unions were being unduly mean in shutting down schools.

Walker, good Republican, is no FDR but he is offering Wisconsin a new deal, lower-case. Wisconsin's been a seedbed of bad ideas since it hatched Progressivism, and for years it's stuck with unionized government even as the price swelled. Walker's radical shift is to try securing necessary government at a better price. The unions, whose model depends on making government labor as costly as taxpayers will bear, object.

May they be haunted by the ghost of the 32nd president, and his little dog, too.

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pazbuc said...

Then why did the conservative justice win the supreme court race?

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At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.

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At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.

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TimMcM said...

The nasty name calling of Tim? What a putz!

Seriously, you just insulted all the libs and called some nasty names but somehow think you are above all that stuff and continually rip me for it.

You really need a reality check.

For example you just wrote "I'm glad I stick to the football stuff in here 99.9% of the time" after blaming the libs for all the problems in the country. Again acting like one who is above all of us who like to post here, but it is you who cannot even get a simple fact straight.

If you stuck to football 99.9% of the time, you would only have ,14 of a post on here but I have read at least 6 or 7 or yours tonight/this morning. My guess is you spend at least 25% of you time on here, not the .01 you think. Spare us the time is different than posts argument.

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pazbuc said...

Stupid post.

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Seattlebuckfan said...

Boy, You know nothing about Rox but you assume a lot.... Rox is a guy and he'a a surgeon.... So he's probably is a heck of a lot better person than you'll ever be.... Knowing that and how you believed him to be and that he could care less what you think of him makes me LOL at you... pretty much everyone on here but you, Sryan, knows him from the other HS.... He's just funnin' with you and you sure took the bait....

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sryan2 said...

Pseudo indignation as usual... grccoins has destroyed your weak arguments is several threads. I certainly hope he does spend at least 25% of his time on here as he has informative, accurate, and interesting things to say.

At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.