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Trayvon Martin: a National Tragedy

  • Thats what the media does.... blows things out of proportion and tells 1/2 truths and mostly lies.

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  • Darcangelo said...

    The question I have is why, a month later, is the media desecrating this young mans tragic and untimely demise by politicizing this event. The New York Times wrote "a white hispanic" What the hell does that even mean? Why must they insist on perpetuating racism at every opportunity?

    it's the NY Times...it's rag

    minsterbuckeye

  • Darcangelo said...

    The question I have is why, a month later, is the media desecrating this young mans tragic and untimely demise by politicizing this event. The New York Times wrote "a white hispanic" What the hell does that even mean? Why must they insist on perpetuating racism at every opportunity?

    It's a tragedy that this young man has died but I cannot stand the race baiting Jesse Jackson and al sharp ton stirring things up before the facts have been determined. Are the going to miss st. Next? I don't think so.

    hammerhead

  • 1) Is there still racism throughout the world? 2) Is discrimination still prevalent throughout the world? 3) Is there injustice throughout the world? Answer: Undoubtedly YES! Yet, the truth must be fleshed out of this situation because none of us know it all completely.

    smilewhenusave

  • sryan2 said...

    First, we are in agreement that this incident was both a tragedy and terrible situation. Any parent and/or decent human being should be sickened by this loss. However, when you say "national tragedy" I believe you are losing context with respect to the number of senseless murders and atrocities committed across our country every single day... How many kids are killed by stray bullets related to gang violence (or even the kids who are the targets of gang violence themselves for that matter)? Additionally, neither you nor anyone else on here know all the facts and everyone should let them play out before arriving at conclusions based on partial information. Statements such as "they drug and alcohol tested the dead kid, I am sure hoping to find drugs in his system" and "the police force is inept at best and second, racist at least" is flat out ignorant and not productive to any desired positive outcomes.

    If Zimmerman is guilty of the crimes so many people are eager to convict him without full knowledge of the events of that evening, then he will pay for his actions as he rightfully should (to the tune of what I would hope would be the most severe penalties possible). To suggest he is receiving preferential treatment from law enforcement because Trayvon was black when he himself is also a minority is absurd. Rational people regardless of race want and expect justice to be served whatever the facts support. Attempting to make this political is disgusting and disrespectful to all of the victims of this tragedy and people putting bounties out for the murder of a suspect is indisputable criminal behavior that should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

    I would ask anyone who has limited their understanding of this situation to the portrayals of those who have already decided this was a hate crime to watch the following interview and read the below article. It is not my attempt to advocate Zimmerman's innocence in any way but to provide some balance to those who already have him convicted (Again, IF he is guilty, I hope they throw the book at him).

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/1530449355001/friend-comes-to-shooters-defense-in-trayvon-martin-case/?playlist_id=87485

    Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering his head 4:35 p.m. EST, March 26, 2012| By Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel

    With a single punch, Trayvon Martin decked the Neighborhood Watch volunteer who eventually shot and killed the unarmed 17-year-old, then Trayvon climbed on top of George Zimmerman and slammed his head into the sidewalk, leaving him bloody and battered, law enforcement authorities have revealed to the Orlando Sentinel.

    That is the account Zimmerman gave police, and much of it has been corroborated by witnesses, authorities say. There have been no reports that a witness saw that initial punch Zimmerman told police about.

    Zimmerman has not spoken publicly about what happened Feb. 26. But that night, and in later meetings, he described and re-enacted for police what he says took place.

    In his version of events, he had turned around and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from behind, the two exchanged words then Trayvon punched him in the nose, sending him to the ground, and began beating him.

    Zimmerman told police he shot the teenager in self-defense.

    Civil rights leaders and more than a million other people have demanded Zimmerman's arrest, calling Trayvon a victim of racial profiling and suggesting Zimmerman is a vigilante.

    Trayvon was an unarmed black teenager who had committed no crime, they say, who was gunned down while walking back from a 7-Eleven with nothing more sinister than a package of Skittles and can of Arizona iced tea.

    This is what the newspaper has learned about Zimmerman's account to investigators:

    He said he was on his way to the grocery store when he spotted Trayvon walking through his gated community.

    Trayvon was visiting his father's fiancée, who lived there. He had been suspended from school in Miami after being found with an empty marijuana baggie. Miami schools have a zero-tolerance policy for drug possession.

    Police have been reluctant to provide details about their evidence.

    But after the Sentinel story appeared on the newspaper's website Monday morning, City Manager Norton Bonaparte Jr. issued a news release, saying there would be an internal affairs investigation into the source of the leak and if identified, the person or people involved would be disciplined.

    He did not challenge the accuracy of the information.

    At a Monday news conference, Trayvon's mother, father and their lawyers called the report that their son was suspended from school because of a marijuana baggy irrelevant and needlessly hurtful.

    Trayvon's father Tracy Martin, said "even in death, they are still disrespecting my son, and I feel that that's a sin."

    His mother, Sybrina Fulton, said, "They killed my son and now they're trying to kill his reputation."

    Supporters have held rallies in Sanford, Miami, New York and Tallahassee, calling the case a tragic miscarriage of injustice.

    Civil Rights activist Rev. Al Sharpton headlined a rally in Sanford Thursday that drew an estimated 8,000 people. The Rev. Jesse Jackson on Sunday spoke at an Eatonville church, where he called Trayvon a martyr.

    Zimmerman has gone into hiding. A fringe group, the New Black Panthers, have offered a $10,000 reward for his capture.

    On Feb. 26, when Zimmerman first spotted Trayvon, he called police and reported a suspicious person, describing Trayvon as black, acting strangely and perhaps on drugs.

    Zimmerman got out of his SUV to follow Trayvon on foot. When a dispatch employee asked Zimmerman if he was following the 17-year-old, Zimmerman said yes. The dispatcher told Zimmerman he did not need to do that.

    There is about a one-minute gap during which police say they're not sure what happened.

    Zimmerman told them he lost sight of Trayvon and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from the left rear, and they exchanged words.

    Trayvon asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no and reached for his cell phone, he told police. Trayvon then said, "Well, you do now" or something similar and punched Zimmerman in the nose, according to the account he gave police.

    Zimmerman fell to the ground and Trayvon got on top of him and began slamming his head into the sidewalk, he told police.

    Zimmerman began yelling for help.

    Several witnesses heard those cries, and there's been a dispute about whether they came from Zimmerman or Trayvon.

    Lawyers for Trayvon's family say it was Trayvon, but police say their evidence indicates it was Zimmerman.

    One witness, who has since talked to local television news reporters, told police he saw Zimmerman on the ground with Trayvon on top, pounding him — and was unequivocal that it was Zimmerman who was crying for help.

    Zimmerman then shot Trayvon once in the chest from very close range, according to authorities.

    When police arrived less than two minutes later, Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose, had a swollen lip and had bloody lacerations to the back of his head.

    Paramedics gave him first aid, but said he did not need to go to the hospital. He got medical care the next day.

    First off, you, of all people, have little right to ask that everyone else wait for all the facts to come out. You live in the world of half formed opinions constantly. Second, if Zimmerman's account is accurate, which I personally doubt, I can only hope that he feels so horrible about his idiocy that it ruins his life. Anyone who says he was justified in his decision making is questionable and, frankly, inhuman. This man killed a child and brought this on himself. We know he saw a kid walking down the street, called 911, got out of his vehicle and followed, and was told not to. We know the kid was unarmed and ended up dead. The part in between only tells if this man is a monster or a moron. Either way, he needs to pay and he needs to be reminded every day of what he did.

    dabaker1983

  • dave1954 said...

    First, you just can't agree with anything someone from the opposite political view posts can you? It is, my opinion, a national tragedy when a 17 year old kid is profiled because he is Black, because he was wearing a Hoodie, because he was walking in a gated community. I know you on the Right just want to think so badly that racism doesn't exist in 2012 in the US but it does. And, they did drug test the kid? Why? Why didn't they drug test Zimmerman? How about the gun? The police didn't confiscate the weapon? Are you kidding? What if Zimmerman throws the gun in a river and it can't be found?Sorry, sure seems inept to me. Do you think they did a good job? Now they are leaking information about the kid to the press about his supposed marijuana use. Inept is a kind word for that police force. And if Zimmerman was shot do you think they would have put Trayvon in jail? How about taking the gun as evidence? So your assertion that Zimmerman isn't receiving preferential treatment is absurd. And why do you say it's political? It happened a month ago and Zimmerman is still free. Why does it have to be deemed political, people are trying to keep the issue alive so it's not swept under the rug. One month and the guy is still free? What evidence do they need that they don't have? And people putting bounties out on Zimmermans is as stupid as pro-abotion people shooting abortion doctors. Finally, I listened to the video and learned that he has a couple of friends that are running interference for Zimmerman in an attempt to soften the judgment of the people. That's like Dick Cheney's daughters saying old Darth Vader is a great guy. What do you expect them to say? That was a pretty lame attempt to help Zimmerman. And now the pro Zimmerman group will spread lies and innuendos about the dead victim. And the police force has started leaking informarion. Yes, it is a National Tragedy.

    So much bias it's hard to know where to begin...

    1.) I agree with you that it was a tragedy and even support your outrage that this occurred (not necessarily for the reasons you suggest), but feel you are taking things too far to label it a "National tragedy" in context to the number of senseless killings of young people that occur every single day in our country. This has nothing to do with political views although your side is disgustingly trying to make hay with it.

    2.) How do you know this kid was "racial profiled" and that he would not have been deemed suspicious if his ethnicity or attire was different? Yes this was a gated community which means those who live there are familiar with the residents. Why do you think they had a neighborhood watch? Are you aware that there were numerous thefts/crimes committed recently there? No question Zimmerman should have backed off when the police told him to stop following the kid and he still very well might be a disturbed individual in his own right, but you talking in absolutes when you don't know the entire story is predictably obtuse. Let the facts come out... It is incorrect to say this guy had already been exonerated without the public outcry. I suppose you think OJ is innocent too?

    3.) I don't pretend to know standard police protocols other that an autopsy is performed on all murder victims (meaning a drug test would be performed on ANYONE). I agree that it makes sense that Zimmerman should have also been tested but I again don't know the legal precedents in those situations.

    4.) Why would they need to confiscate the weapon when the guy already admitted he used it to shoot Trayvon. His reasoning was that it was self-defense and therein lies the case which must be proven either way.

    5.) Someone leaked information and that individual is being punished (happens all the time in high profile cases where there is $$$ to be made and has nothing to do with race). I don't think this is right but this guy and his family are basically having to live in the witness protection program because he has already been prosecuted in the court of public opinion based on limited information. Do you really believe that law enforcement doesn't want justice served here whatever that may be?

    6.) No I do not believe Zimmerman is receiving preferential treatment. Cops need to build cases with evidence that prosecutors can win with in court. Sometimes that takes more time than what citizens are comfortable with, but blowing a conviction and/or getting it wrong is a far greater mistake. What is absurd is suggesting that the cops are racists because they are protecting a Hispanic citizen at the expense of an African American one.

    7.) "Why do you say it's political?" Why don't you ask the "reverends" Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton... http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/former-naacp-leader-accuses-sharpton-and-jackson-of-exploiting-trayvon-martin/ .

    8.) "People putting bounties out on Zimmermans is as stupid as pro-abotion people shooting abortion doctors."... I completely agree.

    9.) The interview was with a black friend who has known him for six years that unequivocally supported his character and disputed assertions that he is a racist. The guy is getting hammered on national news with unsubstantiated accusations and he isn't entitled to a defense by the people who know him? C'mon Dave.

    10.) Don't count me in the "pro-Zimmerman" group but rather the "let law enforcement do their jobs and all the facts will become available at the appropriate time" crowd.

    11.) As for disparaging the young man... Completely inappropriate. However, I think some of the information which has subsequently came out is a result of inaccuracies the political crowd are perpetuating to create a narrative that exploits the tragedy which is just as inappropriate (Again, in a high profile case this will invariably happen when every statement is being scrutinized for accuracy... It is the public's demand for information driving this which is saying the same thing as $$$).

    12.) I'd be interested... What is your level of outrage for the following incident and would you classify it as a "Local", "Regional", or "National" tragedy (if one at all), http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-03-04/news/31122324_1_white-boy-fire-tv-station ?

    This post was edited by sryan2 on 3/27/2012 at 12:41 PM

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  • The bottom-line for me is a 17 year old boy regardless of race, suspensions or other issues died because he was profiled and followed by a stranger while he was walking home from the store at around 6:30 PM with candy and Ice tea.

    Furthermore, it is going to come down to who the grand jury believes. Zimmerman said he was attacked but Trayvon’s girlfriend said the following: Martin had been talking to his girlfriend all the way to the store where he bought Skittles and a tea. The phone was in his pocket and the earphone in his ear.“He said this man was watching him, so he put his hoodie on,” she said. “He said he lost the man. I asked Trayvon to run, and he said he was going to walk fast. I told him to run but he said he was not going to run, but did. Zimmerman confirms on the 911 tape the boy ran. Then the man corners him because she “Trayvon said, ‘What, are you following me for twice’ and the man said, ‘What are you doing here twice.’ Next thing I hear is somebody pushing, and somebody pushed Trayvon because the head set just fell. I called him again and he didn’t answer the phone.” We know at last the girl was on the phone with him at the time of the incident based on phone records and her account and the 911 tape have him running so are we to believe that he runs away from Zimmerman and then circles back and confronts him?

    Yes, there appears there was an altercation and Zimmerman was injured according to Police, but I think evidence will show Zimmerman chased and confronted this boy who was afraid and may have even seen the gun before he was shot.

    hdworship

  • This is tragic but I have to ask this question:

    Why was it not a big "racial" deal when a gang of African American youths traveled to a nearby suburb in Cleveland and beat a White man jogging within an inch of his life (neighbors saved his life) with pipes etc. My buddy is a prosecutor and "Honkey" was used quite frequently in the "random" beating.

    Why was it not a big "racial" deal when a gang of African American youths traveled to a neighborhood where there was a Church Festival (Mt Caramel) and jumped a white teenager walking home and beat him to near brain damage. Again "Honkey" was used but never made the papers.

    Why is it not a big "racial" deal when I watched an African American women randomly punch a Philipino American Women Downtown on St Patrick's Day and call her "Chink".

    It's a two way street and one of the lanes is completely hijacked by the National Media with Al Sharpton stoking the flames of hatred.

    This post was edited by arny769 on 3/27/2012 at 8:45 AM

    arny769

  • Let law enforcement do their job, it's not anyone's job to convict anyone without a trial.. Yes a 17/18 year old is dead, but our justice system needs to be used to rightly convict or accquit this person, not the press, not message boards, not Jesse Jackson, not Al Sharpton, and not President Obama.

    A lot of people on this board would be the one in front of the sherriffs office wanting to hang someone without a trial in the old west.

    joe1776p

  • hammerhead said...

    It's a tragedy that this young man has died but I cannot stand the race baiting Jesse Jackson and al sharp ton stirring things up before the facts have been determined. Are the going to miss st. Next? I don't think so.

    And why would they go to Miss. St.? Did the police find the killers? Do you think the police will let the killers off util they find more evidence? Really!!

    dave1954

  • arny769 said...

    This is tragic but I have to ask this question:

    Why was it not a big "racial" deal when a gang of African American youths traveled to a nearby suburb in Cleveland and beat a White man jogging within an inch of his life (neighbors saved his life) with pipes etc. My buddy is a prosecutor and "Honkey" was used quite frequently in the "random" beating.

    Why was it not a big "racial" deal when a gang of African American youths traveled to a neighborhood where there was a Church Festival (Mt Caramel) and jumped a white teenager walking home and beat him to near brain damage. Again "Honkey" was used but never made the papers.

    Why is it not a big "racial" deal when I watched an African American women randomly punch a Philipino American Women Downtown on St Patrick's Day and call her "Chink".

    It's a two way street and one of the lanes is completely hijacked by the National Media with Al Sharpton stoking the flames of hatred.

    We can trade horror stories about racially motivated crimes committed by both races, but let's be honest it has not been balanced in America and not even my life time and I'm 53 years of age. Lynching of black men was not vigorously prosecuted until the 1970's.

    A white man in Mississippi was just sentenced for running over and killing a black man after a night of him and friends hunting blacks to attack. Whites view Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as being negative, but historically the criminal justice system has not protected blacks and whites have not sought justice so blacks like them have tackled injustices. In fact how you view them is how most whites viewed Martin Luther King as an agitator. Yes, there is a problem with crime in inner city black communities, but it is also true that regardless of income black males are still being profiled in America and it is not fair.

    In fact in Columbus, Ohio half of the traffic stops yearly are blacks which is not proportionate to the population. Also, having worked in the criminally justice system for over 30 years, 90% of the time blacks kill blacks and whites kill whites. The bottom-line regardless of if Trayvon was black, white, red or brown or if he was not squeaky clean, he did not deserve to be profiled, followed and shot and Zimmerman should have called the the police and waited.

    hdworship

  • Its a tragedy, this story saddens me. There is so much hate in our world, we all have our opionions and biasis. One thing is certain regardless if Zimmerman is guilty or not, he will be judged if not in this life but another. I am not perfect, I shall not cast stones but I will attempt to lead by example. I will pray for all of you and please pray for me.

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  • arny769 said...

    This is tragic but I have to ask this question:

    Why was it not a big "racial" deal when a gang of African American youths traveled to a nearby suburb in Cleveland and beat a White man jogging within an inch of his life (neighbors saved his life) with pipes etc. My buddy is a prosecutor and "Honkey" was used quite frequently in the "random" beating.

    Why was it not a big "racial" deal when a gang of African American youths traveled to a neighborhood where there was a Church Festival (Mt Caramel) and jumped a white teenager walking home and beat him to near brain damage. Again "Honkey" was used but never made the papers.

    Why is it not a big "racial" deal when I watched an African American women randomly punch a Philipino American Women Downtown on St Patrick's Day and call her "Chink".

    It's a two way street and one of the lanes is completely hijacked by the National Media with Al Sharpton stoking the flames of hatred.

    Big Al is one of the BIGGEST idiots on the face of the earth...he does it because it can make him some money......the day he stands up against black on white crime or black on black crime........pigs will fly...... I can't believe nbc has him on tv.......i'm sorry with that response-----yes I CAN......

    minsterbuckeye

  • dave1954 said...

    First, you just can't agree with anything someone from the opposite political view posts can you? It is, my opinion, a national tragedy when a 17 year old kid is profiled because he is Black, because he was wearing a Hoodie, because he was walking in a gated community. I know you on the Right just want to think so badly that racism doesn't exist in 2012 in the US but it does. And, they did drug test the kid? Why? Why didn't they drug test Zimmerman? How about the gun? The police didn't confiscate the weapon? Are you kidding? What if Zimmerman throws the gun in a river and it can't be found?Sorry, sure seems inept to me. Do you think they did a good job? Now they are leaking information about the kid to the press about his supposed marijuana use. Inept is a kind word for that police force. And if Zimmerman was shot do you think they would have put Trayvon in jail? How about taking the gun as evidence? So your assertion that Zimmerman isn't receiving preferential treatment is absurd. And why do you say it's political? It happened a month ago and Zimmerman is still free. Why does it have to be deemed political, people are trying to keep the issue alive so it's not swept under the rug. One month and the guy is still free? What evidence do they need that they don't have? And people putting bounties out on Zimmermans is as stupid as pro-abotion people shooting abortion doctors. Finally, I listened to the video and learned that he has a couple of friends that are running interference for Zimmerman in an attempt to soften the judgment of the people. That's like Dick Cheney's daughters saying old Darth Vader is a great guy. What do you expect them to say? That was a pretty lame attempt to help Zimmerman. And now the pro Zimmerman group will spread lies and innuendos about the dead victim. And the police force has started leaking informarion. Yes, it is a National Tragedy.

    OK Dave, let's go down this post. First, you don't know that he was "profiled" like you say (being black and wearing a hoodie). That is YOU jumping to that conclusion. Perhaps Zimmerman looked at the kid, knew he didn't belong. Whether or not you like it, this could have happened. Why did the cops drug test the kid? Because he was dead they needed to see if he was high or not. Why didn't they drug test Zimmerman? Do we know for sure that they didn't? What if Zimmerman passed all the sobriety tests? Who cares if Zimmerman threw the gun in the river. He admits he had a gun and shot the kid. Why do you keep calling for Zimmerman's arrest? What if he is innocent? Is it fair for him to be in jail if he is innocent? Also, the fact that Obama himself made it political is what "makes it political".

    Get a hold of yourself. Calm the hell down. Let things play out on the legal side.

    This post was edited by Buckeye Warrior on 3/28/2012 at 9:40 AM

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  • Buckeye Warrior said...

    OK Dave, let's go down this post. First, you don't know that he was "profiled" like you say (being black and wearing a hoodie). That is YOU jumping to that conclusion. Perhaps Zimmerman looked at the kid, knew he didn't belong. Whether or not you like it, this could have happened. Why did the cops drug test the kid? because he was dad they needed to see if he was high or not. Why didn't they drug test Zimmerman? Do we know for sure that they didn't? What if Zimmerman passed all the sobriety tests? Who cares if Zimmerman threw the gun in the river. he admits he had a gun and shot the kid. Why do you keep calling for Zimmerman's arrest? What if he is innocent? Is it fair for him to be in jail if he is innocent? Also, the fact that Obama himself made it political is what "makes it political".

    Get a hold of yourself. Calm the hell down. Let things play out on the legal side.

    That's not profiling? Because a kid has a hoodie he is Black. That seems to be profiling to me. Why didnt the kid belong?

    dave1954

  • All I want to know is where is REV AL. He should be in Jackson Miss where a white 21yr old student was shot and killed by 3 BLACK men in his dorm room but nobody is talking about this. Could it be REV AL is a little racist?

    jeffbucs

  • jeffbucs said...

    All I want to know is where is REV AL. He should be in Jackson Miss where a white 21yr old student was shot and killed by 3 BLACK men in his dorm room but nobody is talking about this. Could it be REV AL is a little racist?

    probably is a racist, BUT is more about him making a BUCK on it........

    minsterbuckeye

  • dave1954 said...

    That's not profiling? Because a kid has a hoodie he is Black. That seems to be profiling to me. Why didnt the kid belong?

    Is was a private community. The kid lived over 4 miles away and had no reason to be in the neighborhood. I 100% agree that this is a fucked up situation. It should have been handled differently. But, we just got to let the legal system play out.

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  • dave1954 said...

    Whatever you think of the race issue this is certainly an awful thing for the U.S. The fact that this can happen in 2012 proves how far we really have to go. This man, Zimmerman killed this 17 year old, shot him in cold blood. The kid's weapons, Skittles and ice tea. The killer outweighed the kid by 60 pounds, stalked him and chased him, called him a "fucking n______", and refused to back off when warned but the police. Ah, the police. They allowed Zimmerman to go home free with his gun. In a murder case wouldn't you think the police would confiscate the weapon? Finally, they drug and alcohol tested the dead kid, I am sure hoping to find drugs in his system, but never did the same to Zimmerman. This whole situation brings up two points, one that this police force is inept at best and second, racist at least. What a terrible situation!

    This is why you don't jump to conclusions. You called the Police Department inept and racists. Now you have to eat your words:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/28/trayvon-martin-case-polic_n_1384301.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D147152

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  • hdworship said...

    We can trade horror stories about racially motivated crimes committed by both races, but let's be honest it has not been balanced in America and not even my life time and I'm 53 years of age. Lynching of black men was not vigorously prosecuted until the 1970's.

    A white man in Mississippi was just sentenced for running over and killing a black man after a night of him and friends hunting blacks to attack. Whites view Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as being negative, but historically the criminal justice system has not protected blacks and whites have not sought justice so blacks like them have tackled injustices. In fact how you view them is how most whites viewed Martin Luther King as an agitator. Yes, there is a problem with crime in inner city black communities, but it is also true that regardless of income black males are still being profiled in America and it is not fair.

    In fact in Columbus, Ohio half of the traffic stops yearly are blacks which is not proportionate to the population. Also, having worked in the criminally justice system for over 30 years, 90% of the time blacks kill blacks and whites kill whites. The bottom-line regardless of if Trayvon was black, white, red or brown or if he was not squeaky clean, he did not deserve to be profiled, followed and shot and Zimmerman should have called the the police and waited.

    Please take your facts and logic to another Board. You make too much sense. Keep it up!

    dave1954

  • Buckeye Warrior said...

    This is why you don't jump to conclusions. You called the Police Department inept and racists. Now you have to eat your words:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/28/trayvon-martin-case-polic_n_1384301.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D147152

    Did you read the whole story or just the first couple of paragraphs? Thanks for the article because it shows the police dept. did drop the ball and now we see the Republican State govt led by that crook Rick Scott is also involved. What are they trying to do, make this a political story?? Thanks again.

    dave1954

  • dave1954 said...

    Did you read the whole story or just the first couple of paragraphs? Thanks for the article because it shows the police dept. did drop the ball and now we see the Republican State govt led by that crook Rick Scott is also involved. What are they trying to do, make this a political story?? Thanks again.

    The point was that the cops that actually did the investigation wanted an arrest warrant and didn't believe his story. Is it that hard for you to simply admit you were wrong?

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  • Spliveman said...

    Again a clueless uninformed person.We dont know what happened we can only read some may be true some not. Whether its true or not others have blogged the following just as the media has reported false info who knowswhats right.

    1. The picture of the kid is when he was 13 years old.He is now almost 18.Whats his history? 2. He was in gated community 3. He was visiting his mother in Florida who lives 3 miles from this area.His girl friend lives 4 miles.I guess his father didnt want him? 4.What school was he going to in Florida? None 5.This community has a history of violence and robberies in it.Thats why they have an armed neighborhood watch. 6.No evidence he called him the N word 7.Obama is like Al Sharpton here. 8.Again its not the police department dont you think they ran it by a prosecutor also? 9.This guy would out weigh anyone by 60 lbs.That would mean Trayvon weighed about 220 lbs and is not small by your words. 10 Do you believe this guy is going to get a fair trial now that all the political pressure is on him.No way.This grand jury will recommend a trial as the state prosecuter will lead them that way.They will move the venue to a large city area and select the jury from mostly minorities or women and wallah we have OJ Simpson trial.Except guilty. Again all kinds of people break and enter white and black and have been shot. 11.Why doesnt his Mom keep track of him letting him walk alone at night!!!!!!!!!After all he is being portraided as a little boy.

    Again people like you and Obama should not find someone gulity until all the evidence is in and we can hear it. If he is guilty then Fry him,but until then lets respect the law and not have a liberal linching like the KKK used to do.

    Again you dont know jack shit just like all those screaming for blood shows your ignorance. We will find out what happened in time and can make our own judgements regardless of the outcome. If OJ can get off and Casey Anthony can get off anything can happen with ajury today.

    talk about clueless, most of what you state as facts are just dead wrong.
    1. completely typical teenager
    2. Staying in (mixed race) gated community with father and fathers girlfriend.
    3. non-issue
    4. is in school
    5. community had recent history of yard thefts, not break-ins.
    6. non-issue either way
    7. you are a dumb ass.
    8. lead investigator doubted shooters story (now falling apart).
    9. shooter is the one who outweighed victim by 60 lbs.
    10. it is the fact that he should have been held and charged the night of shooting.

    Sir, you need to get your head away from Faux News and find out what is really happening in the world. Choosing Fox News is choosing to be ignorant.

    tehmeh

    mhardman

  • mhardman said...

    talk about clueless, most of what you state as facts are just dead wrong. 1. completely typical teenager 2. Staying in (mixed race) gated community with father and fathers girlfriend. 3. non-issue 4. is in school 5. community had recent history of yard thefts, not break-ins. 6. non-issue either way 7. you are a dumb ass. 8. lead investigator doubted shooters story (now falling apart). 9. shooter is the one who outweighed victim by 60 lbs. 10. it is the fact that he should have been held and charged the night of shooting.

    Sir, you need to get your head away from Faux News and find out what is really happening in the world. Choosing Fox News is choosing to be ignorant.

    While I don't agree with some of what the post you responded to said, please show me where Fox News perpetuated any information that was inaccurate. I'll save you some time... You won't be able to do so and it isn't like they've taken either an anti-Trayvon or pro-Zimmerman position (or the reverse). I'll guess that your opinions are provided to you by a union newsletter or leftwing website that consistently tells you what you are entitled to as long as you blindly support their political party/candidates... You don't know "what is really happening in the world" anymore than the other wannabe detectives on this site.

    Choosing Fox News is a choice made by more Americans than for any other cable news network by more than a two to one margin... It is candidly hilarious and gratifying to see how much liberals fear the one news outlet that doesn't allow their misinformation and false narratives to go unchallenged.

    sryan2

  • Buckeye Warrior said...

    Is was a private community. The kid lived over 4 miles away and had no reason to be in the neighborhood. I 100% agree that this is a fucked up situation. It should have been handled differently. But, we just got to let the legal system play out.

    As I understand it, the kid's father lived in the community.

    dave1954

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