The Bucknuts Hot Spot

If it helps them prevent terrorist attacks I say go for it. I honestly don't care if they are watching me because I don't break the laws.

Wow, you two are real patriots, aren't you? It's a good thing you weren't around when the Founding Fathers were laying out and fighting for our freedoms.

I guess I will never understand this part of the conservative mind. For those of you who do well in business, etc., I understand why you would want a Republican in office to allow you to keep more of your money. That makes perfect sense to me.

But you conservatives don't trust the government to do anything. If the government wants to expand health care you scream socialism. For that matter, if the government tries to do anything that provides a benefit to everyone equally you scream socialism. You don't want to be taxed one more dime. You repeatedly say that the private sector must do these things because the government is not good at it or can't be trusted. Big government is a bad thing.

So why on earth do you trust the government to decide which laws it can and can't follow? To determine which citizens it should and should not persecute? Did you even read the article? You say you have no problem with it because you haven't broken the law. Did you read the part about other U.S. citizens who did not break the law being detained, being searched or having their property taken without a warrant, having guns pointed at them, and being threatened and intimidated?

I want one of you to explain to me why the government can't be trusted to do anything except determine who is guilty of what without due process. I also want to understand how you can claim to support or defend the Constitution when due process is as big a part of it as owning guns.

I am glad you have absolute trust of our government in this one very focused area, the one that undermines everything this country is supposed to stand for; the part that separates us from other totalitarian regimes. You can't stand a thing Obama does, but you're OK with him deciding whether you should be detained, searched and denied your civil rights?

Like I said, thank god our Founding Fathers didn't share your apathy and embrace of tyranny.

If the government is going to dcide our Health Care like you Liberals want (Obamacare) then why stop there? Let the government decide everything. But you like the idea of Socialized Medicine, so you don't bitch and whine about the government deciding that part of our lives. When someone comes up with another part of our lives that the government should be in chage of, and you don't like it, you bitch and complain.

For the record, I am against what the governement is doing in that article. I am also in favor of the government being out of our lives when it comes to medical decisions too, that is why I want Obamacare thrown out.

A short list of all you got wrong:

1. I don't want the government to run health care.

2. There is nothing in Obamacare that allows the government to make health care decisions for any patient.

3. There are no policies I am aware of that have been implemented by Obama that are clearly against what the Founding Fathers intended. I don't think I have ever heard their position on expanding Medicaid. They did give Congress authority over commerce, which is what they have done. They also instituted a system of checks and balances, which is what is occurring. If the Supreme Court strikes down Obamacare, that is how they designed the system to function. If they don't, then it worked the way it was supposed to as well.

4. Yes, allowing you to keep MORE of your money than you currently do. Am I the only one here who follows the tax laws of the U.S.? I give them what they demand. I wish they would allow me to keep more of it. It's not like I decide how much to give.

I think I can help you for future debates. Replace "liberal thinking" with just "thinking". There is no such thing as Republican thinking. There IS such a thing as true conservative thinking, but that is a different thing from the Republican party-line sheep mentality.

The most important function of the federal govt is national defense. Most of the attempted terrorist attacks in our country are done by individuals or by small groups. When they are isolated like that it makes it very difficult to uncover them. In order to find them before attack it is necessary to use heavy surveilance. These laws were passed with bipartisan support because they are isolated to fighting terrorism and they are necessary. We give up a small portion of our civil liberties in exchange for better security. That is a trade I can live with.

Anyone who is willing to sacrifice Liberty for Security deserves neither.

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"

-Benjamin Franklin

You know, I think I just figured out why you get me going, BW. You have mentioned name-calling, and I admit that this is common ploy that I and others use when we can't articulate a stronger argument.

But the name-calling you love to do is what sets me off.

I don't care when you throw the socialist word around. I'm not one, but I'm not offended by it because I know that's the "in" thing for Republicans to say.

I don't care if you call me ignorant. I admit when I'm wrong and take no offense to being corrected, and will change my mind if presented with facts that make more sense to me than my current understanding of an issue.

I might care if you called me a wolverine, but you haven't stooped that low.

But stop asserting that I don't understand America, that I don't know what America is all about, that I somehow hate America, or that I am un-American by your standards.

I joined the Army when I was 17 because, in my entire life, every single time I have heard the national anthem I get a chill down my spine. I served for a decade. I'm a law-abiding citizen who pays what I consider to be more than my fair share of taxes toward the common good. I provide for my family and I am willing to put my record of personal responsibility up against yours or any other Republican's. I constantly strive for personal improvement, and I expect the same of my government. Stop confusing wanting to improve America with hating it.

I hope I am never laying on a gurney in the hospital with an emergency heart procedure and the hospital is waiting for a fax from the government to Ok my procedure...the fax arrives and say's give him two aspirins and call his doctor in the morning......thats what i would expect if our government ran our health care.....

If socialized medicine is so spectacular, why did the Canadian Prime Minister bypass the entire system and seek treatment in Florida? I don't know about you, but it doesn't send a reassuring message to me. Better yet, how many Americans have died on rafts while fleeing to Cuba? There's a reason the United States attracts the best medical talent from across the globe, the free market.

I quit reading the ObamaCare bill after I encountered a portion of the bill specifying 50 billion dollars earmarked for historically black colleges (yes, it's there). I'm not sure why there's an attempt to mask reparations in a healthcare bill, but it's there.

You show little grasp of facts but a good grasp of talking points and hate of FOX News. True, countries with socialized medicine have longer life expectancy than the US, but the thing you either didn't mention or not know is that your shorter life expectancy has nothing to do with medical care. Americans like to suck down large quantities of Doritos and Mountain Dew and sit on their azzes watching Dancing With The Stars or reading Bucknuts, and as a result they get sick more often and younger than their "socialized medicine" counterparts. The part you obviously don't know is that while Ameircans get sick at a much higher rate than those commies, they also get cured at a much higher rate. The survival rates for cancer, and the success rates of major medical procedures is much higher in the US than the "socialized medicine" countries. So yes, Americans don't live as long as people in those countries, but if they do get sick the odds of them surviving longer/being cured is much higher too. I'm willing to bet you that 10 years after Barrycare takes effect the rates of success in these treatments is down. We'll need less Barrycare and more Burycare, just as in your idolized "socialized medicine" countries.

Your confusing lifestyle consequences with quality of medical care, and as a result, well, you're wrong. If you want to live the longest, live in Europe and get your medical treatment in the US.

And what happens when they get it wrong?