The Bucknuts Hot Spot

I have been to Canada. They have Socialized Medicine. I would say that works great, except a lot of Canadians choose to get their health care in America. Heck, it was just a couple years ago that the Premier of Newfoundland and Labrador came to the USA for a heart procedure. He was just one of the ones caught doing that. Most Canadians with money elect to come to America to get their healthcare.

Unit D, Average life expectancy is not a good way to determine how effective a health care system is. The numbers are skewed because we are far more obese, have much higher rate of death due to drug abuse, and a much higher rate of murder than other countries. I did some digging awhile back and found that we have higher cancer survival rates, surgical survival rates, and higher tranplant survival rates than Europe. The Congressional Research Service says that Canada's system is pretty even with us though.

Interesting what hypocrits buckeyewarrior and other rightwingers are when it comes to the government being out of their lives. Yet they support a party that wants to force women to have a vaginal ultrasound just so that they can be humiliated into having the baby. That IS government intrusion. You are just a bunch or racist morons.

Couple that stat with infant mortality rates and you can make a pretty good case for the effectiveness of non-U.S. healthcare. Also, remember that a healthcare system should be viewed in its entirety, which would INCLUDE preventative care. In many countries obesity is looked at as a disease and is treated within the health care system - here it is viewed as some type of divine right. If seen through this prism the numbers are not skewed.

This country is great at repairing health problems, but it won't do a damn thing to try and prevent them. I think we can all agree that profit-driven drug companies want NO part of a healthy lifestyle.

I think that recent studies have proven many other countries have surpassed us in terms of cancer survival rates, but I would have to check again before I state that as a certainty.

Does anyone think that this is NEW? This conspiracy theory has existed since the early 50's; so we lets get back to Ohio State Recruiting news!!!! Thank You. BTW, Big Brother has always been watching...

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I just want to know why it's hidden in a healthcare bill. I think it's a legitimate question.

I see that you had to try to change the subject. you challenged me, and when I destroyed your argument you try to change the subject. Nice. Either way, the French system may be cheap, but the French economy sucks. Their entitlement system is part of the problem of a collapsing Europe.

Are you drunk?

You must be if you think you have "won" some kind of argument.

I really hate to break this to you, but playing with you and your simplistic ideas is fun, in an odd sort of way.

P.S. Try doing even the tiniest bit of research on the European financial problems. You'll find they stem almost exclusively from the "solutions" you offer.

The "entitlement system" is the problem - you are one fine tool, I'll give you that.

You're right the entitlement system has absolutely nothing to do with it. Talk about delusional. It's the economic savants like you that keep this country going. I'd wager you've created hundreds of jobs and contributed exponentially to our economy.

Three things:

1) No, I've never created even a single job

2) If you think that by doing 1) that contributes to 2), then no again

3) This is the best one - even though I never created a single job, I was for many years involved in a very lucrative field. I left it for moral reasons after way too long a period time (so yes, I am guilty of not doing so sooner, but at least I had the epiphany before I did any more damage).

The folks who are left (you know, the so-called "job creators") are presently raking in very hefty bonuses and rapidly obscene salaries, and guess what! The only "jobs" they create are in Bangladesh, and Vietnam, and Cambodia! The "job creators" are raking in the bucks - at your expense - all the while laughing their asses off at you for continuing to give them carte blanche to ram it right up your back door!

Now, the choice is yours as to whether to believe me or not. If there was a way to, you know, make a "Romney bet" with any of you with regards to same, I would do so in a heartbeat, and give the winnings to Planned Parenthood. Until then, however, you'll just have to take me at face value, or not.

I know these clowns like the back of my hand.They have no more interest in making sure you have a good paying job than any of us do at getting Michigan season tickets.

They ARE, however, eternally grateful for Fox news and the intellectually challenged dolts like yourselves who hang on its every word, and believe its every utterance, no matter how absurd.

Remember to check the sizes of their yearly bonuses the next time they feed you pablum about unions ruining the country, or immigrants taking jobs, or health care being rationed. Check the bonus or stock options they get the next time they lay off 250 workers, or close down a U.S. facility. Check the incentive check they get the next time the price of their goods remain high, even after layoffs that they made you believe were necessary to continue to grow and strengthen the "team," and even after the cost to make them went down by 80%, courtesy of sweatshop central in the Far East.

They got a perpetual marketing job to do, and the best part is they got a shitload of dumbasses who'll carry their water.

For free.

I think you destroyed a fifth of bourbon.

On a serious note, try and understand that your "arguments" are nothing more than third grade reiterations of talking points, with the added bonus of a "your momma" thrown in every once in a while.

This is why I do not try and engage you on an intellectual level.You are so hopelessly overcome with zealotry that you can not even make a simple point without referring to what the "other side" does.

This is the by-product of Fox news.It has given us a culture of folks so intellectually vapid, so devoid of the ability to debate even the simplest of points that those of you who believe it have become what you are.

If you're old enough, go back and watch some tapes of the old Firing Line show, with Bill Buckley. An absolutely brilliant debater, his discussions with Nick Von Hoffman were casebook in how to effectively argue a position. I disagreed with him on almost every thing he said, but respected his ability.

Fast forward to today - buffoons like Hannity and Limbaugh spew out whatever they're told, the bubbleheads at Fox spew faux indignation whenever Ruppert tells them to, and the buffoons like you who suck it all in find themselves unable to debate their way out of a paper bag with a hole cut in the bottom.

Not only do I feel sorry for you, I feel deeply saddened that a large portion of our culture, with so much opportunity for education and study, has been reduced to straw man stupidity and bumper sticker logic, all masquerading as insight.

Carry on BW, but don't think for a minute that anyone outside of the cadre of true believers sees you for anything other than you truly are.

A man who has, by his own choice, opted to live as a small minded guy, trapped in an even smaller box.