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Why all the regs on the oil industry and why the delay

  • in building the Keystone pipeline?

    Here is a reminder:

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jaluDaoC1-fAYcoBw6r-NYNivoPw?docId=1681dc9c278f4b3ba24d5ae92c2e63ee

    NTSB: Neglect, inaction caused Michigan oil spill

    By By JOHN FLESHER and DAVID RUNK – 5 hours ago
    DETROIT (AP) — The Canadian operator of an oil pipeline that ruptured in southwestern Michigan two years ago, causing the most expensive onshore spill in U.S. history, failed to deal adequately with structural problems detected years ago and to respond appropriately to the catastrophe, the National Transportation Safety Board said Tuesday.
    Enbridge Inc. knew in 2005 that its pipeline near Marshall, a city 95 miles west of Detroit, was cracked and corroded, but it didn't perform excavations that ultimately might have prevented the rupture, NTSB investigators told the five-member board in Washington before it approved the findings and 19 safety recommendations.
    Enbridge didn't realize the pipeline was gushing oil into the Kalamazoo River and an enjoining creek for more than 17 hours, when a gas company worker pointed it out, and during that time Enbridge control center personnel twice pumped more oil into the ruptured line, investigators found.
    "Learning about Enbridge's poor handling of the rupture, you can't help but think of the Keystone Kops," NTSB Chairman Deborah Hersman said at Tuesday's meeting. "Why didn't they recognize what was happening? What took so long?"
    The report also faulted the government, citing weak regulation insufficient review of Enbridge's oil spill response plan by the U.S. Department of Transportation's Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration.
    The NTSB doesn't have the power to regulate pipeline companies, but its safety recommendations carry significant weight with lawmakers, federal and state regulators, and industry officials. Results of its investigations sometimes are used in lawsuits.
    The spill dumped about 843,000 gallons of heavy crude into the Kalamazoo and a tributary creek, fouling more than 35 miles of waterways and wetlands. About 320 people reported symptoms from crude oil exposure.
    Enbridge's cleanup costs have exceeded $800 million, which Hersman said was more than five times greater than the next-costliest onshore spill — a 2005 release of 991,788 gallons by Chevron Pipeline Co. in Buras, La. That cleanup cost $150 million.
    "This accident was the result of multiple mistakes and missteps by Enbridge," Hersman said. "But there is also regulatory culpability. Delegating too much authority to the regulated to assess their own system risks and correct them is tantamount to the fox guarding the henhouse. Regulators need regulations and practices with teeth — and the resources to enable them to take corrective action before a spill, not just after."
    Enbridge officials said the company had improved its operations and training after the spill and would study the NTSB report to determine whether further steps were needed.
    "Safety has always been core to our operations. Our intent from the beginning of this incident has been to learn from it so we can prevent it from happening again, and to also share what we have learned with other pipeline operators," said Stephen J. Wuori, president for liquids pipelines.
    The federal pipeline agency last week proposed a record $3.7 million civil penalty against Enbridge.
    Oil began leaking from the 30-inch line, which runs from Griffith, Ind., to Sarnia, Ontario, around 6 p.m. on July 25, 2010. Even though alarms sounded repeatedly at the Enbridge control center in Edmonton, Alberta, staffers on hand misinterpreted them. Their failure to act reflected a "culture of deviance" about following company procedures, investigator Barry Strauch said.
    Controllers ordered two restarts before the leak was discovered, sending 683,000 gallons — 81 percent of all the spilled oil — into the stricken line.
    Patrick Daniel, Enbridge's CEO, said: "We believe that the experienced personnel involved in the decisions made at the time of the release were trying to do the right thing. As with most such incidents, a series of unfortunate events and circumstances resulted in an outcome no one wanted."
    Investigators traced the 6.5-foot-long gash to moisture seeping beneath plastic tape on the steel pipe, causing corrosion. Instruments detected a series of corrosion and fatigue cracks in 2005, investigator Matt Fox said. Eventually, those cracks linked together to form the rupture.
    Enbridge failed to grasp the significance of the cracks or to put together findings from separate tests of pipe wall thickness in a way that would have led them to dig up the pipe for a visual inspection, he said.
    The report urged the pipeline agency to strengthen its rules for inspecting cracked lines and to develop training requirements for control center staff. It also called for public awareness campaigns in areas with underground pipelines and better planning to deal with pipeline emergencies.
    Hersman said the Michigan spill raised some of the same issues as the 2010 Pacific Gas & Electric Co. pipeline explosion that killed eight people and injured 58 others in San Bruno, Calif.
    "While our findings raise red flags about the safety of these two companies, they should also force us to ask hard questions of this vital industry," she said. "With more than 2.5 million miles of pipeline running through this country — enough to circle the Earth 100 times — we have to ask, 'Are these companies representative of others?' If the answer is yes, we can expect to be back here again discussing the same issues with a different company."
    Deb Miller, 57, who lives near the Ceresco dam on the Kalamazoo River, watched parts of the NTSB meeting online.
    "We know and realize now that our river is never going to be the same," Miller said. "What can we learn from this and share with the rest of the country so nobody has to go through what we went through?"

    Though often asked, God does not take sides in politics or college football.

    TimMcM

  • Tim maybe you missed the reasons why that pipeline failed. It was because of "neglect, inaction". Tell me how stalling the pipeline will eliminate neglect and inaction?

    pazbuc

  • pipelines are bad. We should stop all pipelines and never drill or pipe oil again.

    rjzeller

  • rjzeller said...

    pipelines are bad. We should stop all pipelines and never drill or pipe oil again.

    No, we should not just give any industry free reign to do as they please. It's called regulations. Sort of like keeping people from driving down your street at 70 mph just because they have a car. The best companies comply and prosper, the cheaters complain and try to get around them.

    BTW, there is more US off-shore drilling under Obama than at any other time in history. Obama just tightened the regulations. He is drill-baby-drilling more than Bush and Cheney dreamed of.

    This post was edited by McCague on 7/11/2012 at 11:14 AM

    McCague

  • McCague said...

    No, we should not just give any industry free reign to do as they please. It's called Socialism.

    I fixed your statement for accuracy of your true feelings and intent.

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    Buckeye Warrior

  • Buckeye Warrior said...

    I fixed your statement for accuracy of your true feelings and intent. I don't care that I made myself look like an ass by changing someone else's quote. However, we cons are the kings of fixing quotes to be taken out of context. But I won't do it again if you won't.

    You know I won't. That's the difference between us.

    McCague

  • McCague said...

    You know I won't. That's the difference between us.

    Actually, there are many differences between us. I like to support my family by myself and you want the government to raise your family. You are a Liberal hack you believes in Socialism (close to a benign dictator) and I believe in Freedom and the entire Bill Of Rights. I can see both sides of an argument while you can't see past your socialistic views.

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  • TimMcM said...

    in building the Keystone pipeline?

    Here is a reminder:

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jaluDaoC1-fAYcoBw6r-NYNivoPw?docId=1681dc9c278f4b3ba24d5ae92c2e63ee

    NTSB: Neglect, inaction caused Michigan oil spill

    By By JOHN FLESHER and DAVID RUNK – 5 hours ago DETROIT (AP) — The Canadian operator of an oil pipeline that ruptured in southwestern Michigan two years ago, causing the most expensive onshore spill in U.S. history, failed to deal adequately with structural problems detected years ago and to respond appropriately to the catastrophe, the National Transportation Safety Board said Tuesday. Enbridge Inc. knew in 2005 that its pipeline near Marshall, a city 95 miles west of Detroit, was cracked and corroded, but it didn't perform excavations that ultimately might have prevented the rupture, NTSB investigators told the five-member board in Washington before it approved the findings and 19 safety recommendations. Enbridge didn't realize the pipeline was gushing oil into the Kalamazoo River and an enjoining creek for more than 17 hours, when a gas company worker pointed it out, and during that time Enbridge control center personnel twice pumped more oil into the ruptured line, investigators found. "Learning about Enbridge's poor handling of the rupture, you can't help but think of the Keystone Kops," NTSB Chairman Deborah Hersman said at Tuesday's meeting. "Why didn't they recognize what was happening? What took so long?" The report also faulted the government, citing weak regulation insufficient review of Enbridge's oil spill response plan by the U.S. Department of Transportation's Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration. The NTSB doesn't have the power to regulate pipeline companies, but its safety recommendations carry significant weight with lawmakers, federal and state regulators, and industry officials. Results of its investigations sometimes are used in lawsuits. The spill dumped about 843,000 gallons of heavy crude into the Kalamazoo and a tributary creek, fouling more than 35 miles of waterways and wetlands. About 320 people reported symptoms from crude oil exposure. Enbridge's cleanup costs have exceeded $800 million, which Hersman said was more than five times greater than the next-costliest onshore spill — a 2005 release of 991,788 gallons by Chevron Pipeline Co. in Buras, La. That cleanup cost $150 million. "This accident was the result of multiple mistakes and missteps by Enbridge," Hersman said. "But there is also regulatory culpability. Delegating too much authority to the regulated to assess their own system risks and correct them is tantamount to the fox guarding the henhouse. Regulators need regulations and practices with teeth — and the resources to enable them to take corrective action before a spill, not just after." Enbridge officials said the company had improved its operations and training after the spill and would study the NTSB report to determine whether further steps were needed. "Safety has always been core to our operations. Our intent from the beginning of this incident has been to learn from it so we can prevent it from happening again, and to also share what we have learned with other pipeline operators," said Stephen J. Wuori, president for liquids pipelines. The federal pipeline agency last week proposed a record $3.7 million civil penalty against Enbridge. Oil began leaking from the 30-inch line, which runs from Griffith, Ind., to Sarnia, Ontario, around 6 p.m. on July 25, 2010. Even though alarms sounded repeatedly at the Enbridge control center in Edmonton, Alberta, staffers on hand misinterpreted them. Their failure to act reflected a "culture of deviance" about following company procedures, investigator Barry Strauch said. Controllers ordered two restarts before the leak was discovered, sending 683,000 gallons — 81 percent of all the spilled oil — into the stricken line. Patrick Daniel, Enbridge's CEO, said: "We believe that the experienced personnel involved in the decisions made at the time of the release were trying to do the right thing. As with most such incidents, a series of unfortunate events and circumstances resulted in an outcome no one wanted." Investigators traced the 6.5-foot-long gash to moisture seeping beneath plastic tape on the steel pipe, causing corrosion. Instruments detected a series of corrosion and fatigue cracks in 2005, investigator Matt Fox said. Eventually, those cracks linked together to form the rupture. Enbridge failed to grasp the significance of the cracks or to put together findings from separate tests of pipe wall thickness in a way that would have led them to dig up the pipe for a visual inspection, he said. The report urged the pipeline agency to strengthen its rules for inspecting cracked lines and to develop training requirements for control center staff. It also called for public awareness campaigns in areas with underground pipelines and better planning to deal with pipeline emergencies. Hersman said the Michigan spill raised some of the same issues as the 2010 Pacific Gas & Electric Co. pipeline explosion that killed eight people and injured 58 others in San Bruno, Calif. "While our findings raise red flags about the safety of these two companies, they should also force us to ask hard questions of this vital industry," she said. "With more than 2.5 million miles of pipeline running through this country — enough to circle the Earth 100 times — we have to ask, 'Are these companies representative of others?' If the answer is yes, we can expect to be back here again discussing the same issues with a different company." Deb Miller, 57, who lives near the Ceresco dam on the Kalamazoo River, watched parts of the NTSB meeting online. "We know and realize now that our river is never going to be the same," Miller said. "What can we learn from this and share with the rest of the country so nobody has to go through what we went through?"

    Come on Timmy whats one more PIPELINE , Hell there's already pipelines run through there.

    Here's a map for ya Tim.

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    NUTTYBAR

  • NUTTYBAR said...

    Come on Timmy whats one more PIPELINE , Hell there's already pipelines run through there.

    Here's a map for ya Tim.

    We have a problem right now, we have a shit load of oil, and no place to put it.....

    North Dakota has the purest oil ever delivered in the US, they are going to use rail to take it Philly. From the oil in PA, they are building a pipeline to Manhattan. A little advice to anyone looking to invest, in the next 5 years, most Trucks will be run on natural gas, it runs cleaner and will be much cheaper. BTW we are getting close to a million barrels a day from ND. I just hope that we keep the oil here, and don't ship it out of the USA, if we do, we can fuck OPEC ... There should be a law that requires our Oil Companies to keep the majority here. If they are going to frac and lay pipe across our land, we should keep it here, unlike what we do in AK. My two cents

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    I aim to please...to bad I have bad aim.....

    Ez6378

  • Buckeye Warrior said...

    Actually, there are many differences between us. I like to support my family by myself and you want the government to raise your family. You are a Liberal hack you believes in Socialism (close to a benign dictator) and I believe in Freedom and the entire Bill Of Rights. I can see both sides of an argument while you can't see past your socialistic views.

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Really, how do you make a living? What you believe in is tell everyone how bad it is for people to receive help that need it while you are living off the government. What does that make you?

    dave1954

  • Tim, do you ever grow weary of carrying the water for Obama? I mean, it has to be tempting just to put those buckets down for at least a few minutes and take a breather.

    Schaefnuts70426

  • Ez6378 said...

    We have a problem right now, we have a shit load of oil, and no place to put it.....

    North Dakota has the purest oil ever delivered in the US, they are going to use rail to take it Philly. From the oil in PA, they are building a pipeline to Manhattan. A little advice to anyone looking to invest, in the next 5 years, most Trucks will be run on natural gas, it runs cleaner and will be much cheaper. BTW we are getting close to a million barrels a day from ND. I just hope that we keep the oil here, and don't ship it out of the USA, if we do, we can fuck OPEC ... There should be a law that requires our Oil Companies to keep the majority here. If they are going to frac and lay pipe across our land, we should keep it here, unlike what we do in AK. My two cents

    I agree.....

    minsterbuckeye

  • dave1954 said...

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Really, how do you make a living? What you believe in is tell everyone how bad it is for people to receive help that need it while you are living off the government. What does that make you?

    the sheep man has spoke..........hey davey boy u still a bigot???????

    minsterbuckeye

  • Buckeye Warrior said...

    Actually, there are many differences between us.

    1 - I like to support my family by myself and you want the government to raise your family.

    2 - You are a Liberal hack you believes in Socialism (close to a benign dictator) and I believe in Freedom and the entire Bill Of Rights.

    3 - I can see both sides of an argument while you can't see past your socialistic views.

    #1 - I have been working since 1956, and am still working, even though I am retired. I don't know what you do for a living, but I am not going to disparage it.

    #2 - That old song-and-dance that Liberals are Socialists is wearing thin. We all know it is used to cause the public to link Democrats to the USSR and China (as yet another con bogeyman). I would rather think of myself as a progressive anyway. Liberal has the stigma of wanting everything free - deserved or not. I could say that cons want to take us back to the horse and buggy. Wait, that's true!

    #3 - A con? Both sides of an argument? Laughable. Compromise to a con is when a progressive agrees to everything the con wants. Deny that.

    McCague

  • pazbuc said...

    Tim maybe you missed the reasons why that pipeline failed. It was because of "neglect, inaction". Tell me how stalling the pipeline will eliminate neglect and inaction?

    Seems to me that it shows a lack oversight and/or regs that will prevent things from happening. People seem to forget that it was the state of Nebraska that held up things for quite awhile until the builders agreed to change the route so that a "spill" would not threaten drinking water. This spill in 2010 may have been the reason why.

    Are you suggesting we should not be proactive on protecting drinking water? Sorry, I'm really not much of a tree hugger and think people and jobs should come before the painted three-toe albino owl, but when it comes to the possibility of doing significant environmental damage that impacts people, I am really against that as all should be.

    So you tell me what should be done to prevent another such accident? Since you and the other cons on here are routinely against more governmental regulation and oversight what do we do to prevent "neglect, inaction?" One of the reasons I am a liberal is because time after time we see that companies behave badly and the public needs the gov to provide protection from these kinds of things. And for the 100th time I do not hate corporations or think they are evil. They exist to make a profit, that is their nature. I just think because of their nature they should be handled with car like a rattlesnake or alligator. They follow their nature and it is us who must be cautious around them.

    Speaking of Keystone, I will point out that once again Romney and the Congressional repubs are lying about it. Unless the plans for it are changed, not one ounce of the produc from it is scheduled for the USA. It will be refined here at most, then shipped elsewhere. Additionally the projection from the builders is about 3000 jobs for two years, nowhere near the 100,000 Romney and Boehner which is the figure they have been throwing around.

    Though often asked, God does not take sides in politics or college football.

    TimMcM

  • NUTTYBAR said...

    Come on Timmy whats one more PIPELINE , Hell there's already pipelines run through there.

    Here's a map for ya Tim.

    Why would you think I am not aware of that" I'm not against Keystone but I am concerned about it screwing up drinking water. One "accident" can have consequences which last for years and costs billions of dollars.

    Though often asked, God does not take sides in politics or college football.

    TimMcM